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2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby lono » Tue May 13, 2014 10:29 am

Whitefish reported 346 k skier days over a 121 day season, a new record. Saturday Dec. 29 tallied over 7600 costumers, also a record. I've always been interested in the business of skiing and skier day counts give me an idea of overall crowds.
With all the industry insiders on FTO I was hoping to get more numbers. Utah /Co/Cali/ etc. Thanks.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Admin » Tue May 13, 2014 10:39 am

They haven't been released yet. State by state numbers typically come out in June. Colorado is usually around 12 million but should do far better than average this year. Utah and Vermont, in contrast, usually jockey for third and fourth place at around 4 Million. California is in between but figures to be way below average this year.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby lono » Tue May 13, 2014 11:03 am

Sorry Marc, I was unclear, I only care about individual ski area numbers. What a fun adventure you guys had! A great report.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby EMSC » Tue May 13, 2014 11:14 am

lono wrote: I only care about individual ski area numbers.


I think you'll find a large percentage of resorts don't publish numbers at that level. A few do, but most seem to get reported at a regional or state level. A few of the public companies (like Vail Inc) do publish resort level numbers although they've started some regional numbers too and I wonder if/when they will make that switch fully. Any in particular that you want to know?
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby lono » Tue May 13, 2014 11:33 am

I realise private Co. don't often report numbers, was hoping for inside info as well for any north American ski areas. Thanks.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Admin » Tue May 13, 2014 11:44 am

Very few resorts release specific numbers, other than those owned by publicly traded companies.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed May 14, 2014 9:35 am

It's quite difficult to get this data in any systematic way. Recently there was an online article listing the "Top 20 Areas in Skier Visits"

1 Vail 1,634,250
2 Breckenridge 1,600,750
3 Mammoth 1,128,500
4 Keystone 1,036,000
5 Steamboat 923,576
6 Winter Park
7 Beaver Creek 919,000
8 Heavenly 890,750
9 Copper Mt
10 Park City
11 Northstar 737,000
12 Snowmass 732,251
13 Squaw Valley
14 Killington
15 Okemo 614,000
16 Snow Summit/Bear Mt. 800,000
17 Snoqualmie 550,000
18 Holiday Valley 545,058
19 Canyons 500,000
20 Deer Valley

The data was a 4-year average from 2008-2011 and note that real numbers were not quoted for 6 areas and round number estimates were used for another 3.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby lono » Fri May 16, 2014 9:46 am

Thanks Tony. Holiday Valley, wow that's alota skiers on not much of a hill!
Anybody know what their local hills do?
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby EMSC » Fri May 16, 2014 12:35 pm

lono wrote:Holiday Valley, wow that's alota skiers on not much of a hill!


That's what you get when you are close to big populations though. Toronto, Buffalo and Cleveland all close by and it's the best terrain for a 750' vertical hill that is that close to them. Also helps to have added skier visits the next ridge over at Holimont and a great little party town at the base.


I've attached some old data for Colorado. Vail Inc left CSC USA and then the other resorts didn't want to have by-resort stats known/published so they stopped providing this level of detail. If you are willing to dig however, usually in master plan and EIS documents the actual tallies get published. But that is a one by one digging exercise.

For Eldora, they were bouncing in the ~300-375K range for a while, but they have to be well over 400K this year with the Epic Pass mess.

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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun May 18, 2014 1:26 am

Someone on Mammoth Forum posted this link: http://www.vanat.ch/RM-world-report-2014.pdf
Page 9 lists every ski area in the world that gets 1+ million skier visits.
Page 18-19 lists skier visits by country.
Each country is analyzed individually starting on page 22.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Patrick » Sun May 18, 2014 5:26 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:Someone on Mammoth Forum posted this link: http://www.vanat.ch/RM-world-report-2014.pdf
Page 9 lists every ski area in the world that gets 1+ million skier visits.
Page 18-19 lists skier visits by country.
Each country is analyzed individually starting on page 22.


Like Wow!!! Not sure he has every ski area in the world that gets 1+ million, but all the major destination ones. I'm thinking that maybe one Quebec ski area might be around one million.

Impressive list of countries, but noticed that he didn't mention ski countries like Lebanon and Israel and maybe others that are definitely more accessible than Afghanistan and North Korea.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon May 19, 2014 10:53 am

Lebanon and Israel were the 2 omissions I noted also. I don't think anyone in the East is close to a million skier visits now. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Killington in its heyday was in the 900K range.

Mammoth is only going to have about 850K this year. The ~1.25 million in that chart is an accurate figure as an average of the past decade though.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Patrick » Mon May 19, 2014 7:49 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:Lebanon and Israel were the 2 omissions I noted also. I don't think anyone in the East is close to a million skier visits now. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Killington in its heyday was in the 900K range.


I might be mistaken, but at one point MSS cracked one million, but that was maybe 10 years ago.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby EMSC » Tue May 20, 2014 10:57 am

Hard to judge the 1M visit limit as particularly specific or identifying of "major resort" status.

How about Steamboat which bounces up and down around that mark consistently. Or Beaver Creek which is just barely under that mark now. Or Heavenly which is also barely under that limit in a normal season, etc... As always you have to set some sort of a limit and a nice round number fits the bill, but leaves plenty of debate and grey area.
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Re: 2013 / 2014 skier days ?

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue May 20, 2014 12:48 pm

EMSC wrote:Hard to judge the 1M visit limit as particularly specific or identifying of "major resort" status.

It's a round number, and while it means mega-resort in North America, it's not that high a threshold in the Alps. There are a lot of "important" resorts here in the 300K-500K range, yet I'm somewhat embarrassed to say there are about 10 resorts in the Alps on that list for which I have zero recollection of even reading about. Perhaps James can enlighten us.

EMSC wrote:How about Steamboat which bounces up and down around that mark consistently. Or Beaver Creek which is just barely under that mark now. Or Heavenly which is also barely under that limit in a normal season, etc

They are averaging a few seasons rather than using just one, which lessens the impact of an unusually good or bad snow year. That's the way I would do it.

There are some divisions I find inconsistent. Why are Val Thorens and Les Menuires listed separate from each other in the same valley and Meribel separate while Courchevel and the upper Meribel/Mottaret sector of the Trois Vallees are combined? Add them up and it's about 6 million. Val d'Isere is separate from Tignes (combined is about 2.8 million)? I have not skied either of these yet, but in both cases I'm fairly sure the lift tickets are combined for the entire ski region.

In the Arlberg, St.Anton/St. Christophe/Stuben are listed alone. Lech/Zurs is on the same ticket but bus rather than lift connected. I note that James' presumed less busy destination of Ischgl/Samnaun Silvretta Arena is #4 on the list at 2 million, about double St.Anton/St. Christophe/Stuben.

Finally Chamonix, Davos/Klosters and the Jungfrauregion have multiple smaller areas not lift connected but are listed on a combined basis here.
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