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POW Day

Postby socal » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:12 pm

I saw this on my twitter feed http://www.firsttracksonline.com/2016/01/02/ski-utah-pow-day-jan-13/ and gave it a read and thought the article was a little awkward in the fact that it never once mentions the word "climate" or "climate change". Clicked the link in the article and saw http://www.firsttracksonline.com/2015/09/23/ski-utah-partners-with-protect-our-winters/ an article that clearly talks about climate change and the partnership with Protect our Winters. Just thought it was curious never to mention climate change when promoting a day that is a partnership between Ski Utah and an organization who's mission is stated as

OUR MISSION IS TO ENGAGE AND MOBILIZE THE SNOWSPORTS COMMUNITY TO LEAD THE FIGHT AGAINST CLIMATE CHANGE. OUR FOCUS IS ON EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES, ADVOCACY AND COMMUNITY-BASED ACTIVISM.


By the way, the source of the press announcement does say:

Please join Ski Utah, Protect our Winters and Discrete at both Alta Ski Area and Snowbird Ski and Summer Resort on January 13, 2016 to help raise awareness both locally and globally around climate change.


Publisher bias :-" given admin's views on the subject?
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Re: POW Day

Postby Admin » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:08 pm

Ha! None at all. FWIW I also produce an industry newsletter for Ski Utah under contract, and that article is reprinted word-for-word from what I placed in that newsletter.

My personal beliefs are irrelevant to FTO's editorial coverage. If there was a bias, don't you think that it would have appeared in the earlier piece?
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Re: POW Day

Postby socal » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:53 pm

Just read odd to me that there was no talk about climate change, and I read the actual press release and it seemed similar (maybe the same), both just seemed off. I just figured it might have something to do with the more conservative population in UT (no clue if that's true for SLC).
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Re: POW Day

Postby Admin » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:03 pm

socal wrote:Just read odd to me that there was no talk about climate change, and I read the actual press release and it seemed similar (maybe the same), both just seemed off. I just figured it might have something to do with the more conservative population in UT (no clue if that's true for SLC).


The Salt Lake Valley's population is surprisingly liberal for such a red state. Salt Lake City, in fact, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1976 and just elected Jackie Biskupski, its first openly gay mayor (a transgendered woman ran for Midvale City Council in November as well, but lost). Probably surprising to many outsiders, Salt Lake City also happens to be home to the second largest gay pride parade west of the Mississippi, second after only San Francisco. The environmental lobby in Salt Lake City is also quite strong -- witness the clout of Save Our Canyons.

Now, the rest of the state, that's a different story.
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Re: POW Day

Postby flyover » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:25 pm

Admin wrote:Salt Lake City also happens to be home to the second largest gay pride parade west of the Mississippi, second after only San Francisco.


At the risk of serious thread drift, now I'm going to have to ask for a source. Twin Cities Pride, held in the part of Minneapolis that is on the West side of the river, has been going well over 300k for attendance figures in recent years:

http://www.startribune.com/pride-festiv ... 213766751/

Utah Pride appears to have had recent attendance in the mid 30K range:

http://www.visitsaltlake.com/blog/post/ ... ends/8222/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Pride_Festival
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Re: POW Day

Postby Admin » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:08 pm

flyover wrote:
Admin wrote:Salt Lake City also happens to be home to the second largest gay pride parade west of the Mississippi, second after only San Francisco.


At the risk of serious thread drift, now I'm going to have to ask for a source.


Marc_C. Blame him. O:)

(I actually did try to source that before I posted it, but gave up prematurely.)
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Re: POW Day

Postby Marc_C » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:49 pm

Admin wrote:
flyover wrote:
Admin wrote:Salt Lake City also happens to be home to the second largest gay pride parade west of the Mississippi, second after only San Francisco.


At the risk of serious thread drift, now I'm going to have to ask for a source.


Marc_C. Blame him. O:)


It's based on population, not absolute attendance numbers.
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Re: POW Day

Postby socal » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:09 pm

Marc_C wrote:
It's based on population, not absolute attendance numbers.


So wouldn't every city that has a larger population than SLC that has a gay pride parade be larger by that metric? Like LA?
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Re: POW Day

Postby Marc_C » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:46 pm

socal wrote:
Marc_C wrote:
It's based on population, not absolute attendance numbers.


So wouldn't every city that has a larger population than SLC that has a gay pride parade be larger by that metric? Like LA?

Your ratio is inverted.
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Re: POW Day

Postby socal » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:37 pm

So attendance divided by total population? Seems like a super strange metric.

Maybe you could prove it by doing the proper statistical analysis to prove it since per http://www.sltrib.com/news/2598326-155/utah-pride-parade-turns-downtown-salt the SLC parade had 35,000 attendees, SLC has 191k residents so 19.6%; Seattle Pride Fest had 200k people http://www.seattlepridefest.org/ and Seattle has a population of 650k so it's about 30%.

Looking forward to hearing why you're not wrong, again.
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Re: POW Day

Postby Marc_C » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:44 pm

This is not a remedial math discussion forum.
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Re: POW Day

Postby socal » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:58 pm

Got it. You're wrong unless you prove otherwise.
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Re: POW Day

Postby Marc_C » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:11 pm

socal wrote:Got it. You're wrong unless you prove otherwise.

1. I really don't care.
2. It's not my assertion - it's from an article that ran in City Weekly, admittedly some time ago.
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