15-16 Season Recap

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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jasoncapecod » Fri May 06, 2016 5:24 am

jamesdeluxe wrote:

Patrick wrote:
I can just imagine how much 6 days in Switzerland would have cost. My 68 days season cost less than James' 6 days in Switzerland.


Everything included, my total costs for seven ski days in Switzerland: $1,150. Of course, I used FF miles for the flight, so it only cost $50 in taxes.

I think that's a pretty impressive bang for the buck. :bow:



Impressive, but still more than 4 times more than my 70 days so far.



This is apples to oranges argument..

It's all about the quality..Life's to short to ski crap or freeze your balls off..
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Marc_C » Fri May 06, 2016 7:59 am

jasoncapecod wrote:It's all about the quality..Life's to short to ski crap or freeze your balls off..

This.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Admin » Fri May 06, 2016 9:20 am

Tony Crocker wrote:My vote, along with I suspect admin's and many others, would be for the quality of James' 21 days given these 2 options regardless of price. The impressive deals James scored would would likely make such a vote even more lopsided.


I love the way that you routinely make judgments and decisions on behalf of others. :roll:
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri May 06, 2016 11:54 pm

Admin wrote:I love the way that you routinely make judgments and decisions on behalf of others. :roll:

Given the number of times I've gotten the "quality over quantity" lecture from admin, it's not a great leap of faith to guess where he might come down on the alternatives posed in this thread.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sun May 15, 2016 4:39 am

I know that I'm going to regret asking this, but putting aside the quality/quantity discussion, I'd like to see how Patrick calculated that he skied 68 days on a quarter of my Switzerland costs, which would be $287 US. To make it apples to apples, please include all your expenses for gas (and those are Canadian gas prices), food, and incidentals.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Sun May 15, 2016 10:41 am

Update:

Patrick wrote:71 total ski days so far...

By month:
Oct: 1
Nov: 1
Dec: 8
Jan: 19
Feb: 21
Mar: 16
Apr: 2
May: 3

By area:
Edelweiss QC: 53
Killington VT: 4
St-Sauveur QC: 4 (a possibly a few more)
Fortune QC: 2
Calabogie ON: 2
Vorlage QC: 1
Cascades QC: 1
Rigaud QC: 1 (new area unless I skied there prior to 1981 which is possible - on the way between Montreal-Ottawa)
Whiteface NY: 1
Cannon NH: 1
Mont Chilly QC: 1


jamesdeluxe wrote: I'd like to see how Patrick calculated that he skied 68 days on a quarter of my Switzerland costs, which would be $287 US. To make it apples to apples, please include all your expenses for gas (and those are Canadian gas prices), food, and incidentals.


Cost per hill
Edelweiss days: $0 (coaching pass)
Killington days: $29 US in May (1 paid ticket + 3 coaching days)
St-Sauveur days: $0 (included with Edelweiss pass)
Fortune days: $23 CDN (1 paid ticket + 1 coaching day)
Calabogie, Vorlage and Cascades days: $0 (coaching)
Rigaud: Free as member of CSIA
Mont Chilly: $20 CDN
Whiteface + Cannon: $164US (cost of Foxcard which I only managed 2 days).

The actual amount is $193US + $43 CDN.

Food, not much.
Lodging: $0
Estimated KMs: 7800 (some of that was free, shared or paid).

Oh yeah, I also get a minuscule income from coaching which pretty much put me ahead financially on my season.

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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Marc_C » Sun May 15, 2016 12:54 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:...please include all your expenses for gas (and those are Canadian gas prices), food, and incidentals.

I'm reading this outside with sunglasses on. I read the last word as incendiaries.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun May 15, 2016 1:17 pm

Patrick wrote:Estimated KMs: 7800 (some of that was free, shared or paid).

That's 4,758 miles. Ontario gas is ~$3.90CDN/gallon. At 20mpg that's $928CDN. Cut that in half if you're sharing rides/gas costs. Maybe sometimes there are more than 2 people in the car. But sometimes you're the only one, and if it's your car you should be adding 5-10 cents/mile for maintenance and depreciation.

jasoncapecod wrote:

This is apples to oranges argument..
It's all about the quality..Life's to short to ski crap or freeze your balls off..

This is the real point here. Sure, when your own kid is in a race program, no one should argue against a qualified parent putting in the time to support that. But that time has passed AFAIK.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sun May 15, 2016 2:41 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:That's 4,758 miles. Ontario gas is ~$3.90CDN/gallon. At 20mpg that's $928CDN.

That's what I was getting at, although knowing Patrick's skill in stretching a Loonie, I'm sure he'll have an explanation for this.

jasoncapecod wrote:It's all about the quality..Life's to short to ski crap or freeze your balls off..
Tony Crocker wrote:This is the real point here.

While I agree with Jason and Tony given my personal situation (where I'm based, level of discretionary income, work and family responsibilities, a variety junkie, increasingly drawn to weirdo places in Europe), I'm not going to apply the quality > quantity principal to people who may have other priorities or constraints. Based purely on his posts, Patrick really seems to enjoy skiing as many days as possible while spending a minimum amount of money (even if he's undercounting his car-related expenses :lol:) and maintaining his ski streak. If that brings him enjoyment, I'm not going to infer that his season wasn't high quality.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Sun May 15, 2016 10:42 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:That's 4,758 miles. Ontario gas is ~$3.90CDN/gallon. At 20mpg that's $928CDN.


Not going to get into a Ontario gas and mpg argument BUT.... gallon cost in Ottawa this Winter was generally around $3.50 CDN (80-95 cents/liter) and my car isn't a Tesla, but my Sentra gets closer to 35mpg. Even with all my skiing, our family still average 23000km/year on our unique car. My wife and I have never bought a bus pass either, so... what are you yearly car expenses? :lol:

jasoncapecod wrote:It's all about the quality..Life's to short to ski crap or freeze your balls off..


Life is too short indeed, I prefer skiing. What is the quote? "A bad day skiing is better than a good day at work."

james wrote:Based purely on his posts, Patrick really seems to enjoy skiing as many days as possible while spending a minimum amount of money (even if he's undercounting his car-related expenses :lol:) and maintaining his ski streak. If that brings him enjoyment, I'm not going to infer that his season wasn't high quality.


It's not about spending a minimum, my longterm goal is to ski as much as I can all year for free. If it would been about money, I wouldn't have travel to the Alps or Andes to get my Summer turns, I could have simply go to Timberline every Aug/Sept weekend. Since the ski streak started, I've skied in 98 ski areas in 15 provinces/states, 8 countries and 3 continents. What was my worst condition day this season? Cannon on April 3. So Tony you can laugh all you will, but local conditions were awesome compare to that day. Yesterday's skiing was also an awesome Spring day with Olympic Gold medalist earning some turns in the bumps after 5pm, oh yeah it was raining on and off in the last 2 hours. Even Planetskier drove up from Boston to ski MSS on Saturday, he was with me at Kmart the weekend before.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon May 16, 2016 12:45 pm

Two points here:
jamesdeluxe wrote:a variety junkie, increasingly drawn to weirdo places......

Patrick clearly falls in this camp too. But due to the Streak tail wagging the quality dog, he almost never sees ski areas in the West or the Alps (whether famous, weird or under-the-radar) during the "normal season" when they are likely to be in full operation and maybe even have some fresh snow.

And also:
offline e-mail wrote:No idea how someone with his skill level doesn't go crazy skiing those 500-vert mounds over and over.


Patrick should be comparing his last few seasons not to mine or James', but to his own a decade ago (see his avatar).
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Mon May 16, 2016 2:16 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
offline e-mail wrote:No idea how someone with his skill level doesn't go crazy skiing those 500-vert mounds over and over.


Patrick should be comparing his last few seasons not to mine or James', but to his own a decade ago (see his avatar).


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The ski streak keeps me skiing and travelling. Period. Sometimes it's the kick that I need to keep active and stop putting it off.

My avatar...that was also during "The" streak. Life events have made it difficult for me to travel during the Winter months :dead horse: . Would I love to travel out West more often and in the Winter time? Hell yeah, but it hasn't happened for various reasons.

2007: all planned, but canceled due to family issues.
2008: Terrace and Smithers BC after a major [censored] at work.

I don't want to go in details of the past decade which includes daughters' racing, breaking her leg, my series of tests at the Heart Institute and various other serious health and work issues.

There was no way I could get away in 2015 plus season was so awesome here.
2016? Getting over 70 days so far this season is pretty major considering that I skied in pain for many months after a broken ankle.
Going out elsewhere in prime season is in the cards, but simply didn't happen due to a number of factors.

After speaking to a few people, I've added Tasmania as destination where I can ski.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon May 16, 2016 4:11 pm

Patrick wrote:My avatar...that was also during "The" streak.

The fourth month of the Streak, before anyone knew it was a streak and before the Streak became a driver of ski decisions. I don't think it's a coincidence that Patrick has not set foot in the North American West or the Alps in the winter since that trip in 2006.
Patrick wrote:After speaking to a few people, I've added Tasmania as destination where I can ski.

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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue May 17, 2016 9:07 am

Tony Crocker wrote: before the Streak became a driver of ski decisions. I don't think it's a coincidence that Patrick has not set foot in the North American West or the Alps in the winter since that trip in 2006.

You're trying to apply your logic system to someone who doesn't share it.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Admin » Tue May 17, 2016 10:27 am

jamesdeluxe wrote:
Tony Crocker wrote: before the Streak became a driver of ski decisions. I don't think it's a coincidence that Patrick has not set foot in the North American West or the Alps in the winter since that trip in 2006.

You're trying to apply your logic system to someone who doesn't share it.


That's a first. :roll:
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