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Tesla, Euro and South America Ski Trips

Postby kingslug » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:37 pm

I'm taking the easy way out. Snowbird. If my other half had more vaca time I would venture further West.
Tesla. Need a bit of planning for excursions in one of those.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby Marc_C » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:04 pm

kingslug wrote:Tesla. Need a bit of planning for excursions in one of those.

Any vehicle where it's very helpful to have a spreadsheet to plan your refueling stops is basically a joke at the moment, and I'm all for electric/hybrid vehicles. But seriously.....
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby socal » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:49 pm

Marc_C wrote:
kingslug wrote:Tesla. Need a bit of planning for excursions in one of those.

Any vehicle where it's very helpful to have a spreadsheet to plan your refueling stops is basically a joke at the moment, and I'm all for electric/hybrid vehicles. But seriously.....


Second car, can't be the only one. I'm considering one right now but it's just for getting around town so the range on the smallest battery would do.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:40 pm

The Tesla is not our only car but it is the primary car, driven 16K miles in its first year, about 3/4 of our total driving including 6 out of 9 trips to Mammoth. We would not have bought the Tesla if we couldn't take it to Mammoth.

This year a new Thai place opened near the Mojave charger. Liz likes that better than the options at Inyokern but Mammoth nonstop to Mojave after the last day of skiing requires driving a bit more moderately than we usually do.

kingslug wrote:Tesla. Need a bit of planning for excursions in one of those.

I got 2 referrals for other people who bought Teslas in 4th quarter 2016. It's best to analyze your own travel patterns before you buy to see if it will work conveniently for you. In Al Solish's case it was easy. Two days a week he has long commutes to Beverly Hills and Palmdale. Letting him drive our car home over the Angeles Crest from Palmdale facilitated the sale. :mrgreen: He has a second home in Atascadero, which is only 4 miles from a Supercharger. He thus went for the smaller 75kW battery, which handles his commutes and requires only a 10-15 minute stop at Buttonwillow on the way to Atascadero. Mammoth is a more demanding drive and time is definitely saved by having the larger battery for that trip.

The other referral was a guy we met on the Thailand trip, who lives in San Diego and has a second home in Big Bear. We can drive to Big Bear but need a charge on the way home in Rancho Cucamonga. That charger is out of the way if you're headed to San Diego, so his solution was to install a 240 plug in the Big Bear place as well as at home.

MarcC wrote:Any vehicle where it's very helpful to have a spreadsheet to plan your refueling stops is basically a joke at the moment

I'm sure an expert in sophisticated time series calculations like MarcC can handle it fine. :-P

socal wrote:I'm considering one right now but it's just for getting around town so the range on the smallest battery would do.

The Model 3 will not be a spacious as Model S but even with a smaller battery it will be nearly transparent vs. a gas car for some trips, like San Diego, Central Coast, the desert, SoCal local ski areas. Model 3 will share the impressive driving dynamics of Model S. Take a test drive and you'll see.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby socal » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:07 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
socal wrote:I'm considering one right now but it's just for getting around town so the range on the smallest battery would do.

The Model 3 will not be a spacious as Model S but even with a smaller battery it will be nearly transparent vs. a gas car for some trips, like San Diego, Central Coast, the desert, SoCal local ski areas. Model 3 will share the impressive driving dynamics of Model S. Take a test drive and you'll see.


Gotta be a Model S with 2 young kids. I test drove it, it's great have 2 months left on a lease and 90% set on it. I don't drive much, around 7k/yr but its all city driving and I get like 10mpg in my current car with a big V8.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:21 pm

Model S is great for carrying capacity, including skis with the hatch. If you go used to save $$$ don't get anything earlier than 2015. AWD and Autopilot 1 were introduced in late 2014 and you probably know that there were serious reliability issues in 2012 and 2013. 2016 and earlier used will probably retain the free supercharging, but you should check on that.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby kingslug » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:46 am

Some day the new SUV will be a good used vehicle, at 160K its a bit steep. And I find it interesting that Tesla is now the most valuable US car maker.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12 2017

Postby jamesdeluxe » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:03 am

Tony Crocker wrote: I guess you missed the Diamond Dogs trip in March 2011. That was where Liz and I first met in person.

I certainly understand Mammoth's appeal as a late-season warhorse for destination skiers, but I'm surprised that a NYC-based ski club would plan a mid-season trip there given the logistics: a 7.5-hour flight where you have to change planes (the only nonstop from our region per day lands in Reno after 11 pm) + a more than three-hour drive = long travel days in both directions. I don't get the logic given more easily accessible options across the pond and out west, but good that you and Liz met that way.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:02 pm

The Dogs flew nonstop to L.A. and connected to the Horizon flight directly into Mammoth. This is another illustration of NYC's upside as a home air base. From many places in the eastern half of the country, getting to that Mammoth airport requires two stops, which is a deal breaker for many people.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby kingslug » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:17 pm

Considering the 6 hour bus it took us to get to Solden after a long plane ride, and ended up skiing groomers with the club, a 3 hour drive or 2 planes is not that bad.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:45 pm

kingslug wrote:Considering the 6 hour bus it took us to get to Solden after a long plane ride, and ended up skiing groomers with the club, a 3 hour drive or 2 planes is not that bad.

I heard the 2016 Solden trip had mediocre conditions, but this year's Dogs' trip to Val d'Isere should have worked out great.

kingslug wrote:Some day the new SUV will be a good used vehicle, at 160K its a bit steep.

160K is definitely the performance version. Base 75kW versions cost about half that. In general I'm not a fan of Model X vs. Model S unless you absolutely need to have a high seating position or the third row seats.
1) Worse aerodynamics means shorter range.
2) Second row seats in Model S fold down, but not in Model X.
3) The Falcon Wing doors are a great conversation piece, but add a lot of weight and have reliability issues.

Items 1 and 2 above mean Model S is a better ski car.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:41 am

kingslug wrote:Considering the 6 hour bus it took us to get to Solden after a long plane ride, and ended up skiing groomers with the club, a 3 hour drive or 2 planes is not that bad.

A six-hour transfer?!? I'm guessing you flew into Vienna (or Frankfurt :lol:)? A nonstop into Munich would've halved that.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby kingslug » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:44 pm

Traffic, it was a bit of a mess. Should have been 3 hours. I should have been in Colorado, you know, where it snows. Tony heard mediocre
conditions, more like 200 hundred miles of flat groomers covered with out of control skiers and boarders. No more Europe for a while.
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:28 pm

kingslug wrote:No more Europe for a while.

Zermatt in 2014 didn't have enough powder for you?

What were the dates of the Solden trip in 2016 (I thought late January)? Solden and nearby Obergurgl have glaciers up to 10,000 feet. Wasn't the snow any good up there?
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Re: Mammoth, Apr. 10-12, 2017

Postby kingslug » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:41 am

Zermatt was great, we got very lucky with a 2 day snowfall. Solden got nothing until the night before last when it dumped 2 feet. The glacier was closed a lot due to wind. I'm sticking with the US for now, except for Chille this August.
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