Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:19 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:My fervent hope for MRA is that soulskier remains the visionary of MRA and that he leaves the nuts and bolts decisions in the hands of local managers, such as Dave Scanlon who is supposedly in charge of the Manitoba project.


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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Fri May 13, 2011 11:48 am

Tony Crocker wrote:
My fervent hope for MRA is that soulskier remains the visionary of MRA and that he leaves the nuts and bolts decisions in the hands of local managers, such as Dave Scanlon who is supposedly in charge of the Manitoba project.


I'd like to present to you all, Mr Dave Scanlan

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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:58 pm

MRA, Skilogik And Suzy Chapstick To Help Native Skiers

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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:51 pm

Since I've been the only voice of the MRA to post in this prestigious forum, I'd like to introduce some of our team.

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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:08 am

An article came out today titled, "Mountain Riders Alliance: Skiers Founding a Movement through Social Media".

Since this very message board and the kind editor of FTOL were part of our early movement, I wanted to share.

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/11/mou ... ial-media/

Thank you all for your feedback, it was and continues to be very helpful.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:53 pm

Here's this weekend's interview with KGO 810AM in the Bay Area. We discuss sustainability and the current state of the Tahoe ski industry.

http://vaca.bayradio.com/podcasts/Hamil ... 11_5AM.mp3

The discussion starts at minute 27.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:13 pm

Bringing Skiing Back to Its Roots

http://skiingbusiness.com/12661/profile ... its-roots/

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Some new details for Tony, et al to dissect.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby Mike Bernstein » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:24 pm

What’s the biggest problem that you see with many of the ski resorts throughout the U.S.?Their model is to get as many people to the resort as possible. The problem, though, is that many of those same resorts aren’t expanding to accommodate the increased traffic. That diminishes the skier’s experience because there are longer lift lines and more people going down the mountain at the same time.

I found this part to be particularly ironic. Invariably, whenever a ski area proposes to expand, the immediate response from the relevant "locals", backcountry enthusiasts, and other assorted leftists who comprise the core of MRA's support is something to the effect of "Just another corporate ski area expansion that will ruin a great backcountry area by infesting it with tourons, man."

Given the complexity and expense that characterizes most ski area expansions these days as a result of a painful and convoluted EIR process, we are essentially at the point where it is only the corporations who have sufficient resources to see the process through. The notion that corporate owned ski areas are somehow intentionally limiting their terrain in order to create longer liftlines is so counter to reality, it is laughable. By that logic, Vail must be on the list of MRA targets given their "soulful" expansion into Blue Sky Basin a few years back. The people who burned down the summit lodge must have been a renegade band of loafer-wearing corporate types, incensed at the notion that Vail would try to spread people out. What an outrage!

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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:59 pm

Mike Bernstein wrote:
What’s the biggest problem that you see with many of the ski resorts throughout the U.S.?Their model is to get as many people to the resort as possible. The problem, though, is that many of those same resorts aren’t expanding to accommodate the increased traffic. That diminishes the skier’s experience because there are longer lift lines and more people going down the mountain at the same time.

I found this part to be particularly ironic. Invariably, whenever a ski area proposes to expand, the immediate response from the relevant "locals", backcountry enthusiasts, and other assorted leftists who comprise the core of MRA's support is something to the effect of "Just another corporate ski area expansion that will ruin a great backcountry area by infesting it with tourons, man."

Given the complexity and expense that characterizes most ski area expansions these days as a result of a painful and convoluted EIR process, we are essentially at the point where it is only the corporations who have sufficient resources to see the process through. The notion that corporate owned ski areas are somehow intentionally limiting their terrain in order to create longer liftlines is so counter to reality, it is laughable. By that logic, Vail must be on the list of MRA targets given their "soulful" expansion into Blue Sky Basin a few years back. The people who burned down the summit lodge must have been a renegade band of loafer-wearing corporate types, incensed at the notion that Vail would try to spread people out. What an outrage!

Can't have it both ways, Jamie.


The notion isn't that corporate ski areas are intentionally limiting their terrain, but rather that many are focusing more on out-of-boot amenities, real estate development and theme-park attractions more than providing uphill transportation to new and exciting terrain. People can draw their own conclusion.

BTW, I meet with a Senior VP at Vail Resorts several weeks ago at Heavenly. They even comped me a ticket and bought me lunch, very nice of them.

Regarding the Vail arson, I thought Powder Burn by Daniel Glick was an intriguing read. I highly recommend it.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby Mike Bernstein » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:14 pm

soulskier wrote:The notion isn't that corporate ski areas are intentionally limiting their terrain, but rather that many are focusing more on out-of-boot amenities, real estate development and theme-park attractions more than providing uphill transportation to new and exciting terrain. People can draw their own conclusion.

The reason they can't allocate more of their capital to providing uphill transportation to new and exciting terrain is not lack of desire. More often than not, it's the road blocks put up by the very same demographic you are courting for MRA. You can build all the base area attractions you want but the best way to drive traffic to them is to have a great on-mountain experience to sell. This is why smart operators almost invariably prioritize on-mountain investment before real-estate when they buy new ski areas. There are multiple relavant examples in your own backyard around Tahoe.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:10 pm

Mike Bernstein wrote:
soulskier wrote:The notion isn't that corporate ski areas are intentionally limiting their terrain, but rather that many are focusing more on out-of-boot amenities, real estate development and theme-park attractions more than providing uphill transportation to new and exciting terrain. People can draw their own conclusion.

The reason they can't allocate more of their capital to providing uphill transportation to new and exciting terrain is not lack of desire. More often than not, it's the road blocks put up by the very same demographic you are courting for MRA. You can build all the base area attractions you want but the best way to drive traffic to them is to have a great on-mountain experience to sell. This is why smart operators almost invariably prioritize on-mountain investment before real-estate when they buy new ski areas. There are multiple relavant examples in your own backyard around Tahoe.


Tahoe hasn't had a significant terrain expansion since Mt Rose opened the Chutes. Before that it was Silverado in the 90's.

What on-mountain investment do you speak of? I don't consider faster lifts to the same terrain as necessarily an improvement.

If Vail Resorts wants to, they could easily open the Cirque at Kirkwood, making it some of the rowdiest terrain in the Basin.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby EMSC » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:30 am

soulskier wrote:Tahoe hasn't had a significant terrain expansion since Mt Rose opened the Chutes. Before that it was Silverado in the 90's.


When did flatstar's backside come online? Granted not exactly top notch expert terrain, but definitely a big expansion.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby soulskier » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:21 am

EMSC wrote:
soulskier wrote:Tahoe hasn't had a significant terrain expansion since Mt Rose opened the Chutes. Before that it was Silverado in the 90's.


When did flatstar's backside come online? Granted not exactly top notch expert terrain, but definitely a big expansion.


A few years ago, but it's gladed, low angle skiing (they don't perform avalanche control). With all due respect, nothing an expert level skier would be excited about.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby Marc_C » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:57 am

soulskier wrote:A few years ago, but it's gladed, low angle skiing (they don't perform avalanche control). With all due respect, nothing an expert level skier would be excited about.

I thought the MRA was non-elitist, non-exclusionary, welcoming of all skiers.
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Re: Introducing Mountain Rider's Alliance

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:43 am

Northstar's Backside (which I agree is single black, upper intermediate pitch) came online in the early 1980's. The steeper Lookout terrain and lift were opened in 2000. FYI I have now had 2 non-competitive bell-to-bell first tracks storm days on Backside and Lookout of over 25K each. On those same days soulskier and his bros were probably waiting an hour or more for KT to open (or maybe not) along with up to 1/4 of Squaw's terrain.

Mike Bernstein wrote:The reason they can't allocate more of their capital to providing uphill transportation to new and exciting terrain is not lack of desire. More often than not, it's the road blocks put up by the very same demographic you are courting for MRA. You can build all the base area attractions you want but the best way to drive traffic to them is to have a great on-mountain experience to sell. This is why smart operators almost invariably prioritize on-mountain investment before real-estate when they buy new ski areas. There are multiple relevant examples in your own backyard around Tahoe.

This statement is right on except for the last sentence. There have been only a few terrain expansions at Tahoe. But I would say in general over the West most of the limited terrain expansions over the past 2 decades have been advanced/expert oriented, like the only ones at Tahoe we can recall (Mt. Rose Chutes and Lookout). To those we can add Telluride's Gold Hill and Revelation, Highlands Bowl/Temerity, Breck's Imperial Bowl/Whale's Tail, Blue Sky Basin, Mineral Basin, the Lone Peak tram at Big Sky, Schlasman's lift at Bridger.

In Canada where there have been more significant expansions, Revelstoke and Kicking Horse are often criticized for having too little intermediate and beginner terrain to be commercially successful. I wonder where soulskier comes down on the Jumbo Glacier proposal, recently approved by the B.C. government after a 20 year battle that is not over according to the opponents. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... roval.html

Joey O'Brien, who now owns Fortress Mountain in Alberta, is running cat skiing there this season but proposes to reopen lift service in 2014. He sounds like an MRA type owner:
The Canmore-based O’Brien has spent the past four years becoming a skiing and environmental superstar by building the world’s greenest ski resort. The re-birth of Fortress Mountain as a full-fledged resort is slated to open in the fall of 2014, and he’ll be using a lot more than star power to fuel it.

“We are sourcing the potential to include up to five types of energy sources (wind, solar, geo thermal, hydra, and gasification - burning garbage into fuel), making it the greenest in the world,” explained O’Brien.

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