Marc_C wrote:rfarren wrote:In defense of soulskier, you started this thread with:Marc_C wrote:Sooo, what does the phrase mean to you? What do you feel constitutes "serious vert"? Which areas have it? Which don't?
Soulskier is simply stating what it means to him. What I think of as serious terrain or vert is different than my wife, or even others on this thread. Should he not express that? Granted, he expressed it with a little snide remark towards Geoff, but what would be the internet without comments like that, it's nothing we all haven't done on this forum before.
Exactly my point, and soulskier can certainly define "serious vert" however he pleases. But slagging someone twice because they used example terrain that doesn't fit his definition, prior to stating his definition, sorta crosses that line into elitism, where he is applying his personal values to someone else - something that you and others have mentioned. A trait that may not be useful when attempting to get others to support your cause.
As far as snide remarks, we've all hurled and received our share of daggers and hand grenades, but no one should ever be surprised at being called on it.
There is a big difference between liking steeper ski terrain and being an elitist. Just because I prefer steeper terrain, not some low angle slope, doesn't mean I am applying my personal values to someone else. The thread is entitled Serious Vert.
Some might consider a guy who works in an office with 20+ people, of which 75% want a heated chairlift, as well as spends two hours eating lunch at Deer Valley an elitist.
As far as my snide remarks to Geoff, I continue to take my fair share on this board, including from him, so what's the problem?
And for my attempt to get support for our cause, we have plenty (did you see the recent article by ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports?) and are receiving more daily, including several seasoned ski area professionals that are on board. In fact, one ski veteran in particular told me they love reading the ski resort model is dead thread on this very forum, and find it funny how clueless some posters are in defending the current state of affairs. I also know that we will never have the support of some and we accept that. We also know that until MRA has it's first lift installed and powder run under our belt, there will continue to be lots of nay-sayers.
Back to the original post, my definition of serious vert would be a run that enabled me to get to 4th gear or higher, and stay there for a bit. Also, having a nice leg burn when doing a top to bottom on the aforementioned run would make it serious vert in my book.