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Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:15 pm
by Patrick
jamesdeluxe wrote:
icelanticskier wrote: i now see why joegm skis there. it really is pretty nice.

Ice, have you missed the HUNDREDS of posts where he bitches about Loon?

Can we get a third opinion? :-k


Just get me a free lift ticket and I'll ski there. For that I would post a TR in the same week and maybe add a picture or two. :mrgreen: I did afterall a day trip at Waterville for a $1 tix. :lol:

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:51 pm
by icelanticskier
Tony Crocker wrote:
i know where i'm gonna spend a bunch of time next winter on pow days once base depths build.

I'd be surprised that anyone would be attracted to Loon by reading joegm's reports. I think the words "Loon" and "powder days" constitute an oxymoron. There's a lot of NCP falling at Loon on many of those powder days north of Franconia Notch. I suspect icelantic caught Loon on a good day, and given his strategy for last minute calls and cherry-picking conditions, I don't think he's going to pile up that many days there over the long run.


joegm must ski there on weekends if he's bitching. seems silly to me that someone would own a condo at a place that they bitch about. call me crazy. i stayed in lincoln a few times this winter during 10-20" midweek storms in dec/jan and skied cannon. great skiing, but i bet loon would've preserved the pow longer and skied as well or better. these were all snow events at both mountains. i was having breakfast early morning at a place in no. woodstock nh and it was dumping. an old timer asked me where i was skiing that day and i told him cannon. he says, "good spot, but everyone goes there to ski powder, people go to loon to ski groomers". i should've listened to him. with cannons tues/thurs 2fer days and wed nh residents day for 30 bucks, the place is more crowded than most ski areas mid week. all loon has is a joey rep, works for me.

i ski at cannon for free and loon for 10 bucks, so i'll see how it skis on a pow day. the days that i caught at loon were just perfect groomer days or perfectly grooms corn days with untracked velvet all day long. i was raving about the groomers and steep chalky east basin bump runs/natural trails. that new ripsaw trail on south peak is steeper than most in nh and plenty long. impressive.

rog

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:57 pm
by Harvey44
So your telling me this stud couldn't link a few knee benders together?

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jamesdeluxe wrote:There's a big difference between being able to survive gnar and doing it gracefully.
I'm still trying to get out of the first group. Based on the videos I see here and elsewhere, I'm not alone.


James..we got a nice little east coast thread going here and you start chumming like captain Quint. :stir:

Drift away Ice.... its all good.

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:32 pm
by icelanticskier
Harvey44 wrote:Drift away Ice.... its all good.


ok, maybe just a little bit. this video just made it into the backcountry mags web page cover. my buddy drew shot it from some stuff this winter. i've got 4 or 5 appearances. 2 out of the last 3 were from a 20" day at gulf of slides, a storm that mostly missed vermont, and mid late may at the great gulf skiing airpane gully 1200 vert of 45 degree easy peasy skiing in perfect untracked cornage.

enjoy

http://vimeo.com/4849489

rog

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:28 pm
by Marc_C
jamesdeluxe wrote:
icelanticskier wrote: i now see why joegm skis there. it really is pretty nice.

Ice, have you missed the HUNDREDS of posts where he bitches about Loon?

Can we get a third opinion? :-k

Doesn't joegm bitch about any place that doesn't have moguls to his liking?

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:04 pm
by Tony Crocker
joegm must ski there on weekends

No, his days off are midweek (Tue-Wed?), though not flexible.

seems silly to me that someone would own a condo at a place that they bitch about.

Yes, that's one of the :dead horse: I beat around here periodically.

jamesdeluxe wrote:There's a big difference between being able to survive gnar and doing it gracefully.
I'm still trying to get out of the first group. Based on the videos I see here and elsewhere, I'm not alone.

I agree completely with this comment.

With regard to powder, it's not that difficult once you get enough mileage in, especially with the right equipment. Easier than almost all other ungroomed skiing. I'm sure the Utards will agree. It's some of the $@#% you go through getting to and from the powder that can wear you out.

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:31 pm
by Marc_C
Tony Crocker wrote:With regard to powder, it's not that difficult once you get enough mileage in, especially with the right equipment.

When I first moved here, it was with a pair of 205 Rossi 7XK GS skis, 20 years of muscle memory that says put *all* your weight on your downhill edge, and a NE perspective that 3" somehow constitutes a powder day. First day out at Alta, my friend directs us off the groomer to a very short powder shot on an 18" day. Five cartwheels over the handlebars later I thought some skills improvement necessary. And maybe at least a pair of mid-fats.

Tony Crocker wrote: Easier than almost all other ungroomed skiing. I'm sure the Utards will agree. It's some of the $@#% you go through getting to and from the powder that can wear you out.

Lazy Californian! O:)

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:40 pm
by Tony Crocker
Rossi 7XK GS skis

Those were my last conventional skis. When they were brand new in 1995 I followed then 65-lb Adam into some intermediate but sunbaked 3-day old powder at Grand Targhee. That resulted in a ride down the hill in the meat wagon with a torn meniscus. And a search for fat skis starting the next season.

Lazy Californian!

This comment coming from one of the Utards who was absent on the March 8 White Pine expedition. :stir:

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:20 pm
by Marc_C
Tony Crocker wrote:
Lazy Californian!

This comment coming from one of the Utards who was absent on the March 8 White Pine expedition. :stir:

I didn't think B/C conditions would be good that day and hence not worth the effort. :wink:

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:00 pm
by Harvey44
Admin wrote:
Harvey44 wrote:If you are a black diamond skier, you have talent.


You two have obviously never met.


Can someone direct me to some video of Mr Crocker in action?

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:22 am
by Harvey44
I couldn't find this on FTO, for some reason I couldn't get into the news section. Sorry if it's here somewhere.

http://www.denpubs.com/Articles-c-2009- ... rward.html

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:34 pm
by Harvey44
A few pics of the work that has been done on the skibowl liftline:

http://harvey44.blogspot.com/2009/08/ne ... -bowl.html

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:32 pm
by Harvey44
If someone can help me understand how to rate steepness I would appreciate it. I remember that someone here - it may have been Tony(?) had a resource that said that Rumor (steepest trail at Gore) was somewhere around 30 or 33 degrees? What was the source of that info?

And my real question....how does that pitch compare to the new lower mountain lift that advertises 830 vertical feet over a 3000 foot long lift? Marketing is saying that when the new lift line is done, it will be the second steepest run after Rumor.

If you do 830'/3000' does that give you a 28% pitch? Probably not quite as the 3000 isn't purely the run (as in rise/run). The run should be less than the full 3000. How do you translate percent grade into pitch?

So ...I know I'm rambling - how can I learn the slope of Rumor and how does it compare to slope that rises 830 and has a 3000' lift line?

Any help is appreciated.

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:15 pm
by Admin
Grab an inclinometer. 45 degrees pitch is 100% pitch. Any other angle is a pure ratio based on that.

Re: Get ready for a Gore/North Creek interconnect

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:38 am
by Tony Crocker
rise/run = tangent (slope angle).
So:
100% grade = 45 degree angle
75% grade = 36.9 degree angle
50% grade = 26.6 degree angle
25% grade = 14 degree angle

Any other angle is a pure ratio based on that.

No, you can see from the above that the relationship is not linear. Many eastern ski areas like to quote percent grade instead of slope angle. :stir: