Vermont Snow Updates 2009-10

J.Spin

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Well, I guess it's time to start the snow updates again - I didn't think I'd be doing it quite this soon but I saw my first snow of the season yesterday at Bolton Valley's Labor Day Weekend Rail Jam. The snow was man made of course, but it looks like it did the trick for the event. We went for a hike yesterday afternoon in the Timberline area, then visited the big ski sale catching a few glimpses of the riders on the rails, and finished off with dinner at the Tavern in the village. I stopped up in the village again this afternoon to pick up some skis we got for Ty, and fall is certainly on the way up in the valley. The leaves are changing on a few trees, but most of the higher elevations simply have that look of autumn as the greens on many of the trees are more muted and the vegetation on the trails is a bit more golden as things start to die off. The extended stretch of clear, dry weather with cool nights that we've had has really brought on that look and today was a simply gorgeous early fall day up in the valley with bright sun and temperatures in the 60s F. I wanted to spend more time up there but had work to do down at the house. Some pictures of the Rail Jam event and the snow are available at the Bolton Valley Facebook site, and Sherry Lammott also has a collection of shots from the event.

J.Spin
 
Well, it hasn't been too long since Bolton's Rail Jam, but we've got our first mention of real snow in the forecast for the local mountains. Roger Hill discussed the possibility in his early morning forecast from today. I'm sure Mt. Washington is the most likely place to see anything, but if I catch sight of any white stuff in the peaks around here I'll be sure to post an update.

J.Spin
 
Well, a couple more weeks have gone by now and we've got our first chance for accumulating snow down to the elevations of the Greens. Here's the update I sent in to SkiVT-L & Eastern today sometime during the noon hour:

"I checked out the window from here on the UVM campus, and tendrils of snow have been crashing out over Mt. Mansfield for a while. In the past few minutes the same thing is starting to happen over Camel's Hump, Mts. Ethan and Ira Allen, etc. I'd certainly say that flakes are in the air up there."

It sounds like some people could be heading up to Mansfield tomorrow morning to see if anything accumulated, so I'll pass along a report if I get any news.

-J
 
Yes , just saw the " Snow on Mansfield " news clip on channel 3 . Pictures of high elevation trees with a covering . Have to get those leaves off the trees before any heavy wet snow falls or else broken branches will be everywhere. Still good to see the snow returning.
 
Here’s a quick Mt. Mansfield update from this morning. I arrived at the Gondola parking lot (elevation ~1,600’) at around 7:30 A.M. or so, where the temperature was in the upper 30s F and it was snowing. Below is a rough guide to the snowfall accumulations I saw on my ascent of Nosedive at that time of day:

1,800’: snow line
2,000’: ½ - 1”
2,700’: ~2”
3,000’: 2-3”
3,700’: 3”+

I did have my skis on my pack, so I did a little riding on the Toll Road and squiggled some turns down through the Ridgeview/Sunrise area, then hiked back down below ~3,000’. The skiing was nothing special, but the hiking and scenic/photographic options were absolutely ridiculous. In all the October trips I’ve made to Mansfield, this was hands down the best combination of snow and foliage I’ve ever seen. The foliage has to be peak because it’s hard to imagine it getting any better. I think the thing that sets this event apart from many others is that the leaves haven’t even started dropping yet on Mansfield – along with all the colors, it was amazing to see so much snow on trees with green leaves.

Additional reports are available in the "Mt. Mansfield" thread on SkiVT-L. I’ll try to get some pictures together as well.

J.Spin
 
J.Spin":3cz94bh1 said:
I did have my skis on my pack, so I did a little riding on the Toll Road and squiggled some turns down through the Ridgeview/Sunrise area, then hiked back down below ~3,000’. The skiing was nothing special, but the hiking and scenic/photographic options were absolutely ridiculous. In all the October trips I’ve made to Mansfield, this was hands down the best combination of snow and foliage I’ve ever seen. The foliage has to be peak because it’s hard to imagine it getting any better. I think the thing that sets this event apart from many others is that the leaves haven’t even started dropping yet on Mansfield – along with all the colors, it was amazing to see so much snow on trees with green leaves.

\:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Top of the page...as this is October 2009.

Great job Jay. Reminds I need to get my "gear" together.
 
J.Spin":e845kxdh said:
1,800’: snow line
2,000’: ½ - 1”
2,700’: ~2”
3,000’: 2-3”
3,700’: 3”+

Farther south at KMart, I had big wet flakes that didn't stick at 2,000 feet for an hour or so. The snow line where it stuck looked to be at 3,000 feet.
 
I've finally had a chance to put together a short report and pictures from Thursday:

Stowe, Vermont – October 1st, 2009

For quite a while, the local weather gurus had been talking about the potential for local snow at the end of September/beginning of October. On Wednesday, September 30th, reports started coming in of white in the mountains, and from UVM I could see the tendrils of snowfall crashing out along the Green Mountain spine. It was looking like Thursday morning would feature some real accumulations of snow, but on Wednesday evening the snowfall seemed to come to a halt. I started to reconsider my thoughts of taking a Thursday morning trip up to Mt. Mansfield, but sometime after dark I checked the local radar and it looked like snowfall was blooming again. I awoke Thursday morning to see that there were still echoes on the radar, the temperature at the house was ~41 F, and our back deck was wet. I suspected there had been some additional snow on Mansfield, so I hopped in the car and decided that I’d at least go for a hike before work.

While I couldn’t see much white at all on my drive to the mountain, as I finally got close to Mt. Mansfield, I could see that there was a good covering of snow from about the middle elevations of Spruce Peak on up. I parked in the upper lot of the gondola (~1,600’) and there were a half dozen cars that looked like they could belong to other early morning folks checking out the snow. Snow was falling all around me, and while it wasn’t sticking at the base, I could see white on the ground not far above. At some point after 7:30 A.M., I strapped my skis on my pack and headed up Nosedive, hitting the snow line right around 1,800’. The depth of the snow didn’t increase too quickly, only up to maybe ½ to 1 inch in depth by the 2,000’ mark. I thought that the snow would probably be great for the junkboarders, but I wasn’t quite sure about those who were on regular skis. Not long after I had that thought though, I met three skiers coming down Nosedive, right around the intersection with National. They clearly seemed to be making due on regular skis and seemed to be enjoying it. During my ascent it snowed most of the time, and occasionally the snow came down with moderate to heavy intensity. Being starved for a bit of winter weather, I loved it.

Even by the top of Nosedive (~3,600’) the snow was only up to about 3 inches in depth, but I hiked on a bit farther to check out the Mt. Mansfield stake. There was some vegetation in front of the stake (~3,700’) that hadn’t let the snow settle all the way to the ground, but the depth of the snow was clearly less than 6 inches. At least one vehicle had driven on the Toll Road, but I still popped on my old Telemark skis and did a little gliding in the untouched snow outside the tire tracks. That was quite pleasant, although due to the minimal snowfall, there was the occasional crunch of a piece of gravel. Not wanting to deal with the hassle of negotiating the steep terrain of Nosedive with somewhat minimal snow, I continued on the Toll Road and into the Ridge View area before deciding to take off my skis. I had even made a few Tele turns on the snowy grass, but by around the 3,000’ elevation, a combination of wanting to head back in the direction of the Gondola via steeper terrain, and not wanting to put any real damage into my skis saw me strapping them back on my pack. I’m not totally ready to commit the Hellgates to official rock ski status just yet.

Hiking up had been really enjoyable (I think it was the first time I’d hiked such a long distance in Tele boots without switching to skinning) but the vistas on the descent were spectacular. With the dramatic scenes of white surrounding me, and the brilliant colors in the valley, I stopped frequently to pull out the camera. My descent was somewhat meandering, taking me down through the Hayride and Lookout areas, before making it down to Crossover and down to the gondola lot. The snow level on Mansfield looked like it had crept up a few hundred feet since my ascent, so it was certainly warming up. Insofar as I can recall, I think Thursday’s outing was the first time that things came together to allow me to ski on my birthday, so that made it even more of a treat that usual.

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J.Spin
 
Thanks for the report , will try this year for some October turns at Jay Peak as this will probably be the most suitable place for us combining possibility of October snow and drive time from the city house ( 2 hours ) , meanwhile increasing my cross country running as if it happens will be ready for it.
 
nice pics and report j vermont. judging by yer photos, the east is such a terrible inhospitable place to live and recreate huh? :stir:

i went to the bear brook mountain bike festival today, and since i wanted to see a ton of foliage and wanted ton get a good workout in, i rode the 30 miles each way to the event plus rode a nice 23 mile singletrack loop while i was there. 80+ miles on the full suspension carbon scott with the landscape on fire. nice to leave the car at home today. plenty of energy left, wish there was good surf, cuz if there were, i'd paddle out for a couple of hours. ah! fall in new england!

keep em comin j.

rog
 
Pictures as expected. =D>

Hayride has a nice intermediate pitch IIRC. Is it grass underneath? If gravel that would be tough on the skis judging by the picture of the run.
 
Tony Crocker":d6h8i1h3 said:
Hayride has a nice intermediate pitch IIRC. Is it grass underneath? If gravel that would be tough on the skis...
Tony, it's Vermont - there's grass and moss and ferns and rotting stuff everywhere. They have to truck in gravel for their roads. :stir:
 
Marc_C":o748di9x said:
Tony Crocker":o748di9x said:
Hayride has a nice intermediate pitch IIRC. Is it grass underneath? If gravel that would be tough on the skis...
Tony, it's Vermont - They have to truck in gravel for their roads. :stir:

:lol: ya, from new hampshire! :lol:

rog
 
icelanticskier":2djsyfm7 said:
i rode the 30 miles each way to the event plus rode a nice 23 mile singletrack loop while i was there. 80+ miles on the full suspension carbon scott with the landscape on fire.
I get annoyed riding even a mile of blacktop to connect trails... 60 miles of blacktop on a full-suspension bike? :shock:
 
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