Mammoth, Dec. 20-22, 2016

Tony Crocker

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As expected last week’s storm extended decent coverage across the mountain, and essentially everything is open with 90+% packed powder surfaces. We also had cooperative weather, clear Tuesday and Thursday with wind in some places, and high overcast Wednesday with almost no wind. There is some evidence that this is not a normal midweek. Prime parking fills early, slopes near the lodges are busy and midday lunch is crammed. But with everything open the only lift line of consequence was about 8 minutes at gondola mid-station Tuesday at 10:45AM.

Tuesday we got started a bit late. I had to drop Liz at Main Lodge to get her 3rd free day on Mountain Collective. Mammoth’s IT Dept. sadly lags most of the other areas in supporting Mountain Collective. She had to go the window on the other two days for half price also. We did hear that Mammoth intends to catch up with the other places and support direct-to-lift later this season.

After a couple of warmup runs I met Liz at Main Lodge and we soon encountered that line at gondola mid-station. So we headed for Dave’s to get away from the crowds, meeting Rainbow Jenny at the top.
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We hit good groomers on chairs 9 and 25, then dropped into chair 5 via Sliver.
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We then moved to chair 22 for the first time this season. Riding 22 we saw this cliffed out snowboarder.
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On subsequent rides we saw a patroller set a bootpack down to her. We did not see where she went after being escorted up the bootpack.

Jenny and I skied Viva, Avy1 and Grizzly. Avy1 still has some early season choke points halfway down. After one run on Grizzly Liz had some foot pain and took a break. After a run on face of 5, we met at the Mill for lunch.

After lunch the snow on 23 was the highlight of the day, smooth and fairly soft windbuff, almost skied like a groomer on the apron under the lift. The low winter sun backlit the blowing snow on top.
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Here’s someone ripping the windbuff on Wipe Out 1.
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We skied Drop Out 1, Wipe Out 1 and 2 and Paranoid 1. Jenny there:
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Liz skied Drop Out 3 twice before her feet bothered her again.

Jenny and I skied Gravy Chute/Fascination, then Coyote to end the day. I skied 25,700 vertical.

Liz' foot problem was a new one, not related to the ankle pain and cold foot issues which Corti Lawrence at Footloose fixed last spring. So on Wednesday Liz went to see him again at 8:30AM while Jenny and I took the shuttle bus to Main Lodge.

After a Broadway warmup we took the gondola to ski Cornice.
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After the storm the natural cornice formed, and the groomers only knocked half of it down for a groomed entry. The entire cornice formed in 2006 when it snowed 280 inches in 40 days in March/April.

We then skied Climax, Dave’s and a couple of runs each on chairs 9 and 5. We first descend into 5 via Triangle, which is more constrained than usual by stunted trees that will be buried after a couple more big storms. After riding chairs 2 and 23, Liz called to say she was finally on the mountain. We skied Wipe Out 1 and met Liz at chair 1. We all returned to 23 and skied Drop Out 3 and Wipe Out 3. Liz and Jenny there:
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The chair 23 terrain was still smooth windbuff but a bit less soft than on Tuesday. When we got down to the gondola base this time, Jenny spotted her friends Kara and Peter, who had just arrived in Mammoth, at another lift. Liz and I went up the gondola and traversed past Dave’s to Roma’s, which still had a layer of soft snow on top of the windbuff. Coming back through 5, we also found good snow under the lift on Sanctuary.

I took an extra run on 23 to Paranoid 2 before meeting for lunch at the Mill at 1:30. Snow there was excellent though light was bit flat it was overcast when I was there.

Here’s our lunch group:
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Peter, Kara, Barbara (skibum4ever), Liz, Jenny and me

After lunch we took a couple of cruisers on Mambo and Andy’s Double Gold. Peter and Kara live in New York and took up skiing two years ago. They buy Mountain Collective and take a couple of weeks each season among those resorts. Jenny had skied with them on Scotty’s, so I figured they were good for a repeat of the route Liz and I had done at noon. Roma’s:
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Next run on Face of 5:
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I finished the day with 28,400 vertical.

On Thursday we finally got a car up in time to park in our usual area by Stump Alley. The prior days the lot had been full so we parked at 10. The day started similar to Wednesday,with a couple of groomers, then Cornice and Climax. Jenny and Liz on different lines in Climax:
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We took another gondola to Dave’s and Gold Hill, skiing to chair 25. From there we traversed to Shaft. Jenny and Liz on the upper section:
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Lower down I had the camera out again but inadvertently dropped its case. It rolled a long way into the trees and I never found it. Not as lucky as Patrick at Big Sky in 2006, but fortunately the case was small and just protective and had no accessories inside.

Jenny left to meet her friends for lunch, while Liz and I skied down to 16 then to 22 again. She skied Viva while I skied Avy2, rejoining for lunch at Canyon Lodge.

After lunch we crossed the mountain to 23, skiing Face of 5 on the way. Chair 23 was windy, but a pleasant side effect was some blown in snow where we skied on Wipe Out 3. We went to the bottom, took the gondola up to ski the backside, where we had not yet skied this season. The direct drop behind the gondola had variable snow with a lot of wind effect. The groomers were the place to be on chair 14 so we took a second lap there before climbing up to Scotty’s and Monument, both of which were excellent like most of the chair 23 runs. Liz was up for an encore so she skied Scotty's again from 23 while I skied Wipe Out 1.

We both skied 24,100 vertical. Liz looked much more on her game today and also took no boot breaks. The Wednesday morning boot fix seems to be settling in, so she’s feeling much better about our extended trips later this season.
 
Thanks for the report, Tony! I feel sorry for Liz with (what seems like) her persistent ski boot fit problems. I know that is no fun to deal with, if you enjoy skiing. Has she ever thought about trying the Apex ski boots, which are more like a soft snowboard boot that then fits inside a rigid chassis that connects to the binding. I know that some people who have fit problems with the traditional hard plastic ski boots find relief with the Apex boots. I'm not sure about the performance characteristics of the boot but supposedly they work almost as well as a traditional boot.

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I have a friend of mine whose wife had to give up skiing because she could never find a boot that fit her without causing extreme pain in her feet (apparently caused by a very high instep), even though she eventually went (on my recommendation) to the (allegedly) top boot fitter in the country - Jeff Rich at U.S. Orthotics in NYC. Even he couldn't manipulate the boot and liner to make it comfortable for her. I recommended the Apex boot to my friend's wife but she had already given up on skiing.
 
berkshireskier":27ch4czo said:
Thanks for the report, Tony! I feel sorry for Liz with (what seems like) her persistent ski boot fit problems. I know that is no fun to deal with, if you enjoy skiing. Has she ever thought about trying the Apex ski boots, which are more like a soft snowboard boot that then fits inside a rigid chassis that connects to the binding.

The first thing Tony has to do is get her out of those 110-120 flex boots she's in, and stick her in something like a 90 -- but he won't listen to advice. I'm in a 110 and it's plenty stiff for me. At times I wish that they were a 100. No offense to Liz -- I love her dearly -- but she's far too petite, no longer young enough and not a sufficiently skilled skier to be in a 110-120 flex boot (there, I said it). These bootfitters who Tony has confirmed his boot choice with have never seen her ski.
 
Admin seems to have forgotten that one of the fixes Corti Lawrence made last spring was to remove a rivet in the back of Liz' boots, which lowered the flex from 110 to 100. We have 2 days scheduled with Extremely Canadian in March and we can get their take on Liz' equipment.

Liz does not have a lifetime history of unusual foot shape/size like my son Andrew and thus being a difficult bootfit. Corti Lawrence does not consider her a particularly hard case either.

There was a significant improvement in the way Liz skied yesterday vs. the two prior days, as I thought I made clear in the TR. She skied the same 24K I did with no rest breaks like the other days. If problems recur during the January Euro trip, Footloose would recommend new footbeds and/or an Intuition liner.
 
Admin":3nx0mls2 said:
berkshireskier":3nx0mls2 said:
These bootfitters who Tony has confirmed his boot choice with have never seen her ski.

I don't think this will change Corty's assessment, but there is an easy way to rectify this -- Liz could just email Corty the video I shot of her at Mammoth last year.

P.S.: Looks like you guys had fun!
 
Admin":3qo68e1a said:
berkshireskier":3qo68e1a said:
Thanks for the report, Tony! I feel sorry for Liz with (what seems like) her persistent ski boot fit problems. I know that is no fun to deal with, if you enjoy skiing. Has she ever thought about trying the Apex ski boots, which are more like a soft snowboard boot that then fits inside a rigid chassis that connects to the binding.

The first thing Tony has to do is get her out of those 110-120 flex boots she's in, and stick her in something like a 90 -- but he won't listen to advice. I'm in a 110 and it's plenty stiff for me. At times I wish that they were a 100. No offense to Liz -- I love her dearly -- but she's far too petite, no longer young enough and not a sufficiently skilled skier to be in a 110-120 flex boot (there, I said it). These bootfitters who Tony has confirmed his boot choice with have never seen her ski.

Yea, I once heard an experienced boot fitter say that 90% of people have boots that are too stiff. Hell, I'm 6'2" and about 195 and I'm skiing in 100 flex boots now. For most recreational skiers, stiff boots really do nothing for you and they tend to be uncomfortable on long ski days. A different story if you're racing or skiing very hard.

If I had persistent problems with uncomfortable boots, I'd try the Apex ski boots.
 
Tony Crocker":2vkolm2g said:
Liz does not have a lifetime history of unusual foot shape/size like my son Andrew and thus being a difficult bootfit. Corti Lawrence does not consider her a particularly hard case either.

More evidence that she's in too stiff a boot. At least you got her out of those 120s that she was in...now it's time to lower it another notch.
 
Which boot was a 120? The ones from Aspen? I don't recall that.

berkshireskier":35516wmq said:
Hell, I'm 6'2" and about 195 and I'm skiing in 100 flex boots now.
Not arguing that point. I'm in 100's myself. When buying I demoed the 120 version. It was packed powder but all manmade groomers, a scenario which I presumed would favor the stiffer boot. Since the level of control was the same, I went with the 100, figuring it might be better in softer snow.
 
And you thought that it was a good idea to stick your girlfriend in 100/110s?
 
Tony Crocker":6yeljtr2 said:
Liz took Sunday/Monday off to rest and pursue boot investigation.
jamesdeluxe":6yeljtr2 said:
Are we still talking about the infamous Aspen boots?
Admin":6yeljtr2 said:
Can ya believe it? Talk about throwing good money after bad...Take away her gear sponsorships, and even Lindsey Vonn''s custom boots would've cost less. Yet Liz' boots are still the wrong ones.
Good to see that we can still count on some things to stay the same in these turbulent times. 8)
 
I should probably know better than to try to keep this going, but I have some comments:

1. Is boot flex consistent across brands? I.E. Is a 100 Technica = 100 Lange = 100 Salomon? I thought flex is consistent within brands - not across.

2. I replaced my 5 1/2 year old/~220 day Intuition liners with Palau liners at Olympic Bootworks, Squaw Valley on Saturday and can say Wow! The Palau are higher and way more supportive at the top. My Intuitions were basically neoprene booties - I know they have more/better models now, but I was never happy with the wrap at the top. That Palau is a couple of inches taller and has more of a tongue and some structure to hold down heel. And it has a pull tab for getting the wrap tight as you are tightening buckle. I feel like I've gone from 90/80% of left/right perfection to 98-99/95-96% and that was with booting up in parking lot/car the two days I've used them so far. I think I can improve the always troublesome right boot with a little more usage and by booting up or re-booting in a lodge. And instead of going 1-2-3-4/5 for the 1st to 4th buckle left/right, I'm at 1,1,2-3,2. Plus I did not have any problem with cold skiing powder yesterday in low 20s with 40-50 mph winds over the top of the ridge. I feel like I have near total control and even when sitting in lodge for lunch, I did not unbuckle the left boot.

3. My wife who has always been an easy fit for boots replaced the demo boots she bought more than 10 years ago with Technica boots with 105 flex. No fitting, no footbed, but they are deep purple. She skied the last two days on them and likes them enough that her old boots are in the trash at the street. She will ski steep smooth runs, but cannot handle very deep powder and does not ski double-diamonds as Liz has. She has average ~4 days the last 4 years (she did not ski 2014-15 season). Did she go too stiff? I'll post pictures in my latest So Tahoe report.
 
Tseeb, you're correct -- it's not a standardized measure like DIN release, but it gives you a pretty darned good idea of what the boot will flex like.
 
Always go with a footbed other than stock. The boot manufacturers aren't gonna spend money making good footbeds since most skiers won't be using the stock ones anyway.
 
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