Western Weather 2017-18

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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Marc_C » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:54 pm

Here's the update from Snowbird this afternoon:
Winter Operations Resume Saturday, December 2.

Thanks to the continued efforts from our mountain operations teams and favorable snowmaking temperatures, Snowbird resumes winter operations on Saturday, December 2 with skiing / riding out of the Creekside base area. Hours of operation are from 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m. daily.

Skiing and riding off of the Gadzoom chairlift is available from 9 am - 3 pm.
Advanced terrain only. No beginner terrain is available. Early-season conditions exist.
Skiing access to/from the Snowbird Center is not available at this time. Shuttle buses are available for transportation between the hotels, Snowbird Center and Creekside Lodge.

I suspect there will be 2-4 trails open, if that.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby kingslug » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:59 am

And thats the beauty of it. They will open a few runs and say..here ya go. Thanks for buying the nonrefundable lift tix. Have a nice day. Oh well. You can't win them all. I'll investigate other options as well. At least I'll be in Utah.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby lono » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:46 am

I've been skiing Big Sky all week in great early season conditions . With average temperatures snowmakers will expand down tp Thunder Wolf and the lower mt.Without new snow the upper mt. will ski firmer with more scree. I'm sure they would love to rebook a large group from Snowbird.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:35 am

Here's prominent Utah meteorologist Jim Steenburgh's take on the current situation: http://wasatchweatherweenies.blogspot.c ... velop.html

When James and kinglsug arrive, there will probably be half as much snow as during James' visit during the same time frame in 2011-12 or mine at Christmas of 1986-87. Only 1976-77 was worse in mid-December.

kingslug wrote:At least I'll be in Utah.

Hopefully doing something other than skiing if you stay in Utah. Admin can provide numerous suggestions.

I have to agree with MarcC that group trips in December are a bad idea.
1) In mid-season cutting a group deal may save some $$$. In the Thanksgiving to Christmas travel dead zone, anyone can get a good deal on an individual basis.
2) Flexibility is essential in December as is being demonstrated. James has that flexibility but a group of 48 does not.

The Diamond Dogs do this trip every year so maybe the group size has some negotiating leverage. Tell Snowbird you're not coming back next December if they are not willing to rain check this trip to April. Snowbird should not be afraid of showing some flexibility for a once in 25+ years outlier situation. In the long run they will have more loyal customers.

lono wrote:I've been skiing Big Sky all week in great early season conditions . ....I'm sure they would love to rebook a large group from Snowbird.

Jackson would be an easy relocate for a group. There's tons of lodging there for the primary summer business, should be available on the cheap during your time frame.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby kingslug » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:44 am

Ill see what we can do
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Marc_C » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:12 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
kingslug wrote:At least I'll be in Utah.

Hopefully doing something other than skiing if you stay in Utah. Admin can provide numerous suggestions.

I'm in the same boat, coming up with alternates for my house guests who arrive on the 12th for a week.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:18 pm

UT-where storms go to die.jpg

That's Park City. I'm sure Alta's appearance is not as extreme as that, but I'm also sure admin is in no hurry to document current conditions here.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Marc_C » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:26 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
UT-where storms go to die.jpg

That's Park City. I'm sure Alta's appearance is not as extreme as that, but I'm also sure admin is in no hurry to document current conditions here.

It looks more like winter, but just as lean in terms of open terrain.
Here's Alta's opening day messaging:
All skiing will be off the Collins and Sugarloaf lifts on one top to bottom intermediate run off each lift that will ski more like advanced runs because of conditions.

No beginner terrain will be open for skiing. Albion and Sunnyside lifts and runs will not be accessible.

Skiing will be on man-made snow and early season conditions exist.

It is advisable to park in the Wildcat Base Parking Lot. The transfer tow between Alta’s two bases will not be open.

Hours of operation 9:15 – 3:00 until conditions change.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby kingslug » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:43 am

Well at least its snowing and more on the way. We'll see if my luck continues this year.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby jamesdeluxe » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:04 am

kingslug wrote:Well at least its snowing and more on the way. We'll see if my luck continues this year.

A foot plus in today's storm, then high and dry for the foreseeable future -- bring yer skinny skis. I'm revving up the rental for WY.

While "no group trips in December" is easy to say in hindsight; normally, the Cottonwoods by mid-month is a pretty safe bet, surpassed only by GT.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby EMSC » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:32 am

Conditions are not exactly great in Colorado, but compared to Utah they look downright good based on what I'm seeing in this thread. TR later today on Copper.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Marc_C » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:46 pm

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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Marc_C » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:49 pm

Snowbird at the moment:

Please be aware that there is no beginner terrain available and the Aerial Tram is open for foot passengers only. All skiing & riding is based out of the Creekside Lodge and serviced by the Gadzoom chairlift. At this time, we have one continuous run open.

Thanks to the continued efforts from our mountain operations teams and favorable snowmaking temperatures, Snowbird resumed winter operations on Saturday, December 2 with skiing/riding out of the Creekside base area. Hours of operation are from 9 am – 3 pm, daily.
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Skiing and riding off of the Gadzoom chairlift is available from 9 am - 3 pm.
Advanced terrain only. No beginner terrain is available. Early-season conditions exist.
Skiing access to/from the Snowbird Center is not available at this time. Shuttle buses are available for transportation between the hotels, Snowbird Center and Creekside Lodge.
Lift Tickets are available for $84 (adults); $39 (age 7-12); $69 (age 65+).
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:18 pm

The good news is that the storm overperformed, 18 inches at Alta vs. the predicted 12. This brings snowfall since Nov. 1 to 41.5 inches, 43% of normal. That's not enough for significant new terrain openings.

kingslug wrote:Well at least its snowing and more on the way. We'll see if my luck continues this year.

No more snow is on the way before you arrive. Rarely do we see this level of unanimity among the weather forecasters for a period up to two weeks.

Evan Thayer, Open Snow Utah wrote:The long-range is nothing but ridging starting tomorrow and lasting as far as our models can see. At least through mid-month and probably a bit longer.


Joel Gratz, Open Snow Colorado wrote:In reality, there appears to be a high chance that we'll see no snow or very little snow through at least December 15-20th. When will this pattern change? I don't know. Things look pretty locked in right now. I see no real indications of movement.


Cliff Mass weighed in today, labelled the upcoming weather as "The Godzilla Ridge." http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2017/12/t ... turns.html

The bottom line is that if you want to ski fewer runs than are open at Hunter now with similar snow surfaces for 4 days, go ahead and stay at Snowbird. Otherwise start making those plans for skiing at Targhee or non-winter activities in southern Utah.
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Re: Western Weather 2017-18

Postby kingslug » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:45 am

This sux.
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