Patrick wrote:rfarren wrote:I can't believe that Jamie Pierre had no avy training! That is incredible.
Okay, not saying that he shouldn't have avy training, but I'm tired of people piling up on he guy. Who here as had avy training (not counting reading a book or seeing a DVD - actually course by a certified instructor)?
Bobby Danger wrote:two day course --- instructed by bruce tremper 14 -15 years ago
Patrick wrote:Bobby Danger wrote:two day course --- instructed by bruce tremper 14 -15 years ago
Good Bobby, who's next?
I hate second guessing one's decisions (MMQB) based on their perceived notions of the situation. Not defending his actions, but all the comments about his lack of avy knowledge and lack of training is over the top if it's coming from people that haven't had the training themselves. Not judging, just saying.
PS. I also followed a 2 day avy level 1 course back in 2008.
Killclimbz wrote: I know quite a few people who have had no formal training, but know their stuff. After reading everything I am not so sure about Jamie. Maybe he just got powder fever like the rest of the crowd. Seems that there were a lot of warning signs that said he should back off or choose different terrain.
rfarren wrote:I can't imagine that he would've ignored the avy forecast if he had had proper training, or even if he really knew his stuff.
Admin wrote:rfarren wrote:I can't imagine that he would've ignored the avy forecast if he had had proper training, or even if he really knew his stuff.
A whole slew of people ignored it on Sunday. That was shocking to me. Even if you hadn't read Sunday's avalanche report, however, the signs were readily available all around to anyone with any mountain sense whatsoever. That to me is even more shocking.
You don't need formal training to be capable of looking around you and having a sense of situational awareness. Sadly, not many people in upper LCC used that on Sunday. It's imperative that anyone who uses the backcountry in winter understand their surroundings and exercise good judgment to protect not only themselves, but also those who they might place in danger as a result of their actions.
The slide that killed Pierre occurred in a funnel shaped bowl and rescuers who responded faced a very real danger of additional slides relaxing from elsewhere in the bowl. While rescuers were tending to the victim of the Gunsight slide at Alta, other morons were kicking down additional slides from above. There is just no excuse for that kind of cluelessness.
The more I learn about Sunday's incidents, and the more I think about them, the angrier and more frustrated I become.
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