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Skiing in Iran

Postby Tina » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:50 pm

Thank you who posted replies on my question about skiing in North East USA!

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re: Ski Mountaineering in NE USA

Postby Admin » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:56 pm

Wow! =D>

Don't mind me, I'm separating this into its own topic.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Patrick » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:19 pm

I second Marc's WOW!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

=D> =D> =D> =D>

The East has some good stuff, if you're willing to take more than day trips, you should check out the Chic Chocs (in Quebec's Gaspe peninsula) and Gros Morne (in Newfoundland).

3 from the Chic Chocs

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards ... php?t=2971

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards ... php?t=2117

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards ... hp?p=18167

This old one is from Newfoundland

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards ... php?t=5710
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Castlerock » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:02 am

Did you go to Dizin?
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tina » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:21 pm

Yup.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:31 pm

Several of the ski mags have sent people to Iran over the past few years. Their reports, in terms of both skiing and hospitality, are quite consistent with this one.

Latitude of Tehran is 35, similar to Taos or Las Lenas. It gets a meager 10 inches rain per year, but it's centered in winter and March/April are nearly as much as Jan/Feb. The Caspian Sea is the source of the snow in the mountains north of Tehran. There's not enough info here to be certain about anything, but those lifts go quite high and I would expect March at least to be pretty good. One of the mag articles said limited lift service skiing was still available in May.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tina » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:36 am

Yeah.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby TeamSummit » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:11 am

Wow, that's incredible! Thank you for posting such a wonderful review and pictures. It's definitely a ski location I wouldn't have thought of.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:52 am

Exposure is also key to March snow surfaces. That last picture is quite informative as you can tell from the top of the picture that the sun is just above it, though we don't know what time of day. The steep ridge in the background is shaded, and we can't tell if the lifts go up to it. If it faces north, the shiny slope in the foreground faces east.

Iran would certainly fall into the category of skiing being just a part of a general tourism vacation, if I were to go there. Odds of decent snow might not be all that much worse than South America, probably better than NZ I'd guess.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tina » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:21 pm

Uhu.
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Re: re: Skiing in Iran

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:05 pm

Tina wrote:I must say that you are pretty brave to with such confidence make judgements about weather conditions in placey you have never been to.


Ouch.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:28 pm

Knowing the regional weather pattern is very helpful as a compliment to your normal analysis
Of course I'm speculating. What I like to have, as many of you know, is monthly snowfall history.

In my recent efforts to compare Chile and California, I have uncovered a few non-obvious differences in climate. I expected Santiago and Los Angeles to be very close, which they are in annual rainfall. Average temperature differences are consistent with Santiago being farther from the coast than L.A. But who would have known the following, without looking it up:
1) Santiago has more cloud cover than L.A. (despite being farther from the coast) in every month except late spring, which is well known as being disproportionately overcast here.
2) L.A. average temperature patterns fit Santiago, and quite a few other so-called Mediterranean climate cities. But L.A.'s record maximum temperatures are much higher for nearly every month. These are due to our infamous (as from the recent fires) Santa Ana winds, which must be a more unique weather phenomenon than I thought.
3) L.A.'s highest rain months are January/February. March is only a bit lower. Santiago's highest rain months are June/July. August is a noticeable drop from July, and September is barely half August. The Las Lenas monthly snow stats had a similar pattern, so spring conditions in the Andes in September are going to be much more likely than in the Sierra in March.
4) Coastal California has "offset seasons," where late spring tends to be much cooler than other climates, and late fall much warmer. I had always assumed than this was due to our cold ocean currents. But Santiago and Cape Town have even colder ocean currents and no offset seasons.

So Tina is correct that without some good snow stats it is very difficult to analyze snow conditions from afar. It is possible that western North America in general has far better snow conditions around the spring equinox than other ski regions (related in part to items 3&4 above), though high resorts in the Alps have a good reputation for March/April.

Since we don't know how much snow the Iranian mountains get, we also don't know how deep the spring snowpack is. I think a deep snowpack is needed for consistent spring snow surfaces, otherwise melting will be irregular and some places will burn off completely. I have to think this was a factor in Portillo having smooth and consistent spring snow while the Valle Nevado group with 30% less snowfall did not. Wind exposure was also a factor at Valle Nevado, as it may be in Iran.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tina » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:58 pm

Yeah
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Re: re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Patrick » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:37 am

Tina wrote:its not immediately obvious that Iceland gets not as much snow and ice.


Hi Tina,

Was Iceland ever part of your ski adventures? Iceland had been on my list (regardless of skiing) as on my short list of places to go.

I know a bit on Iceland and if I remember Kevin from FTO many years ago talked about the time he skied there. Besides him and SuperNat's friend teletrip last May, I don't know anyone else with first hand ski knowledge on the place.
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re: Skiing in Iran

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:54 am

One of the last segments of STEEP is a clip of Andrew MacLean and two friends in Iceland. They had a close call with an avalanche that appeared to be slow-moving very heavy snow.

Here are the Reykjavik stats from the same BBC source I used for L.A., Santiago and the other Mediterranean climate cities: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city ... t=TT003890 . The narrow band of average temperatures, moderate winters for its latitude and high winds are caused by an ocean dominated climate. New Zealand has the same characteristics, adjusted for latitude of course.
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