PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

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PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby Anthony » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:12 pm

Happen to be near Perisher NSW, visiting kid # 2 who moved to Australia from Jasper, Alberta two years ago. This is about as far as i can go from my Quebec base for skiing. Skiing was quite good once you find your way around. Lot of flat sections and not very steep but still a lot of interesting sections out by the boundary markers. Blue cow and the other far side had quite a few options. Early in the season but a storm of over 2 feet helped open up the natural stuff. Sent in few pics below. Temps above freezing but snow stayed dry even found wind blown powder yesterday. You can ski anywhere between the rocks and gum trees. Interesting ski scene as the only snow is in the high elevation mountains above 4000 feet. The valley locations are dry and semi arid. Stayed in a camper trailer down in the valley .
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby jamesdeluxe » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:58 am

Just noticed this -- thanks for posting, Anthony. Are those gum trees? I'm interested in seeing pix from Thredbo too.
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:37 pm

It looks like a slightly better version of the skiing I had at Thredbo July 18, 1997. Snow quality was similarly good but I think Anthony had a deeper snowpack. Pictures were on film and are buried in a photo album somewhere. The gum trees in the ski areas have very colorful bark.

Patrick has lots of pictures from 6! Australian ski areas this year, some of which are on Facebook. He got home about a week ago. The streak has reached the 13 year milestone.
Thredbo Sept. 3: https://www.facebook.com/patrick.corcor ... ?__tn__=-R
Perisher, Sept. 4: https://www.facebook.com/patrick.corcor ... ?__tn__=-R
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:33 pm

My Thredbo notes from July 18, 1997:

Base thin but surface good from 8 in. snow 2 days ago. Light breeze on top T-bar. Lower mtn skiable on 2 snowmaking supertrails. Alpine T-bars rocky but a few good lines. Cool but calm & sunny.

Warmup E side, then High Noon & Anton/Sponars T-bars. First time up Karels T-bar followed lady under rope to Funnelweb, usually mogulled but smooth as few had skied it. PM on T-bars & Crackenback, then High Noon to car.
21,800 vertical.

Snow Gums at tree line:
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View down to Thredbo base:
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Anton/Sponars alpine sector:
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Yes it was thin but snow was good and I was on then-new very maneuverable 180cm demo shaped skis from Head.

View from top of Aussie lift service at 6,800 feet:
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That's still dangerously low for its latitude of 36.5 degrees, about the same as Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon. Maybe the Virginia/North Carolina border is a better analogy.

Basin/Karels alpine sector:
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View down Funnelweb:
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It's mid-afternoon but this was the only run steep enough to be in the shade most of the day.

This was perhaps the first of my trips that preceded a natural disaster, in this case only 12 days later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Thredbo_landslide My New Zealand 2010 and Japan 2011 trips preceded major earthquakes by about 6 weeks.
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby jamesdeluxe » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:45 am

I wasn't aware of the Thredbo landslide following your visit, wow. Funny that you mentioned the novelty of "shaped skis" back then.
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:34 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:Funny that you mentioned the novelty of "shaped skis" back then.

I did not have notes at the time, but here's brief summary of my experience with the new ski technology in the 1990's.

I did not think I needed shaped skis to assist carving turns but I did think I needed a powder ski as my experiences were very erratic and highly sensitive to snow quality. Therefore I demoed the Volant Chubb in March 1996, took it off the backside of Mammoth where it performed impressively in variable crust. I wanted to buy them immediately but they were sold out, so I bought in November 1996 and took them on my first trip on the Powder Highway (Island Lake, Fernie, Whitewater, Red Mt.) in late Feb. 1997 and they were my powder skis into 2008.

In early Feb. 1997 at Mammoth I demoed the K2 Four, which at that time was touted as the most versatile shaped ski. It required some adjustment in technique but clearly turn initiation/effort was easier so I bought a pair that spring for my ex-wife. She was on her way out of skiing and it turns out quit skiing completely from 1998-2006. However those 183cm K2 Fours became Adam's daily driver ski from 2001-2004.

1997 was also the start of the Inside Tracks subscription newsletter, for which I wrote resort reviews and other features. http://bestsnow.net/insdtrak.htm Peter Keelty wrote their equipment reviews and I recall whatever new shaped ski Head had just introduced was his top choice. A Jindabyne shop had that ski but at 180cm which was about 10cm short for me in that design. So they didn't have the best high speed stability but they were great in the low tide alpine/off piste terrain at Thredbo.

I have no notes regarding the demo/rental skis later in that trip skiing 4 days in New Zealand. We would have had fat skis for the day with Harris Heli though. I know my impression of demo skis in NZ was favorable as it was on later trips in 2006 and 2010. I do not think it's necessary to bring your own skis to Oz/NZ as the demos are good and it's a big pain to drag skis through the other more tropical places one is likely to be visiting on those trips. This is in contrast to South America, where rentals can be sketchy and I strongly recommend you bring your own even if it is a travel nuisance.

I probably did not try a shaped ski again until demos in April 1999 at Lake Louise and at my first NASJA meeting at Mammoth. I was demoing the Volant Power Ti on April 9, 1999, which remains the greatest lift served ski day of my life: http://bestsnow.net/19990409mmthtc.HTML I ordered a pair of those that summer, and they were my daily driver skis from 2000-2006.
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby jamesdeluxe » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:07 pm

Hard to believe that the Chubbs, with a waist of 88mm, were once considered fat. Mine, with the zebra graphic on the base, have been repurposed as feet for my Adirondack ski chair.
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Re: PERISHER NSW , AUSTRALIA .JULY 3,4,5, 2018

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:30 pm

The original Chubb was 110-90-100. There was a later Chubb with more sidecut that was 87 underfoot. Shane McConkey and Scott Gaffney noticed that the new Chubb was worse in powder than the old one. https://unofficialnetworks.com/2012/07/ ... wder-skis/ This led Shane to design the Spatula, of which only a few hundred were made before Volant was completely taken over by Atomic. Shane then moved to K2 and designed the Pontoon. https://www.powder.com/stories/classics/the-catalyst/ I demoed the Pontoon for 3 days at Chatter Creek in 2009.

Later in 2009 I won a Head ski from NASJA, chose the Jimi. At 130-110-120 it had the exact sidecut of my old Chubbs, wider by 20mm in all dimensions. It was a good powder ski but not as good as the Armada JJ, introduced about the same time with lots of rocker. A week after Chatter Creek 2009 I had a day at Eagle Pass Heli. The guide and one of the clients were on the then-new JJ's and raved about them.

With regard to James' comment, my current daily driver Blizzard Bonafides are 133-98-118 and have tip rocker. Powder performance is better than the Chubbs or Jimis yet they also rip on groomers. It's thus a perfect ski for the Alps, which is why I bought them a month before my first trip to the Arlberg in January 2013. Val d'Isere was the first time I have used a dedicated powder ski in the Alps, and the main reason for that is that my DPS Wailer 112's have AT bindings, which both iSKI and Alpine Experience want their clients to use.
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