NZ and Oz - 2020.

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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Sbooker » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:47 am

Base building. \:D/
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:32 am

sbooker wrote:I...bought tickets to Thredbo for a short mid August break.

So the restrictions on travel between Queensland and NSW have been lifted?
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Sbooker » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:25 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
sbooker wrote:I...bought tickets to Thredbo for a short mid August break.

So the restrictions on travel between Queensland and NSW have been lifted?


No. But a refund is available should the borders not open by then.
Same with lodging. Plane tickets bought on points and are transferable. Car rental I can cancel without penalty.
Our premier has suggested the border to NSW will open in about 3 weeks (after these school holidays) but travel to Victoria will not be permitted until community transmission ceases there. Victoria has had several flare ups and restrictions tighten for them again from midnight tonight.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:05 am

From sbooker's reference:
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Urban skiing, just like Hunter or Big Bear
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Sbooker » Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:18 pm

I fully understand this year could be different but I’ve never seen it anywhere near that crowded. We always go midweek and not school holidays. Staying away from the (lookers) right side of the hill prior to lunchtime is best.
Remember that Thredbo is 5 hours drive from Sydney and Canberra which is much closer granted has a much smaller population and not a lot of skiers.
Thredbo has very limited and extremely expensive lodging and a lot of punters don’t like staying 25 minutes drive away in the more reasonably priced Jindabyne.
We’ll see I guess.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:11 am

Patrick has just posted a quite comprehensive worldwide roundup of the current state of skiing.
Beartooth Basin is now closed. July 4 is an aspirational closing date. Liz and I skied there June 22, 2013 and it closed a few days later. The current base depth is 18 inches, 60% of normal, and that is far from adequate considering the steep terrain and use of poma lifts. I do not know when Beartooth closed this year.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:36 pm

Some info from today's NASJA Zoom meeting:
Thredbo was instructed to run at 50% capacity. People waited as long as hours online to reserve tickets. The entire season is sold out through August 30. Thredbo refunded season ticket payments but charged passholders 30% of day ticket prices for any days they reserved.

New Zealand is business as usual, no restrictions, no masks. But of course you're not skiing there if you don't live there.

South America is in big trouble. We knew about Las Lenas, but Valle Nevado will also not open at all this season. Portillo is "closed indefinitely."
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Sbooker » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:59 pm

Australia's Covid situation has regressed somewhat with a bit of a flair up in Victoria. The numbers are completely insignificant compared to many other places in the world. The move has today been made to shut the border between NSW and Victoria. Whilst this doesn't affect my skiing plans for next month I can see it is the precursor to Queensland (the state in which I live) shutting borders again.
It's been a slow start the season as far as snow goes. Hopefully things improve in the next few weeks.

NZ has had a great start. Most ski hills are fully open.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:07 am

Sbooker wrote:NZ has had a great start. Most ski hills are fully open.

No they are not.
None have as many as half their runs open and only Mt. Hutt has a 100cm base even at top elevation.

There is abundant snow in South America but all the areas there are locked down. Snow-forecast thinks another 3-5 feet have fallen since June 30.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Sbooker » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:03 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
Sbooker wrote:NZ has had a great start. Most ski hills are fully open.

No they are not.
None have as many as half their runs open and only Mt. Hutt has a 100cm base even at top elevation.

There is abundant snow in South America but all the areas there are locked down. Snow-forecast thinks another 3-5 feet have fallen since June 30.


Sorry Tony. I will admit to using social media reports as a reference. My mistake.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:00 am

Falls Creek and Mt. Hotham are shut down from July 9 - August 19 due to the COVID-19 outbreak in Melbourne. The Victoria outbreak is on the order of 100+ new cases per day, slightly more than the prior peak in March/April. NSW and WA are seeing a handful of new cases per day while other states/territories are essentially COVID free.

For some perspective consider that Australia (population 25 million) has had 9,769 total cases since the virus arrived in January. Meanwhile Florida (population 21.5 million) has averaged 9,208 new cases per day over the past week.

The Victoria-NSW border is closed so Thredbo and Perisher remain open, though with advance reservations required.

Interestingly, Mt. Buller remains open to "our local community and fellow regional Victorians," but not to those locked down in Melbourne. Again, I'd be interested in sbooker's take on how this can be enforced.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:53 am

Tony Crocker wrote:Mt. Buller remains open to "our local community and fellow regional Victorians," but not to those locked down in Melbourne. Again, I'd be interested in sbooker's take on how this can be enforced.

ID check at the entrance?

Tony Crocker wrote:For some perspective consider that Australia (population 25 million) has had 9,769 total cases since the virus arrived in January. Meanwhile Florida (population 21.5 million) has averaged 9,208 new cases per day over the past week.

Are all my fellow Americans enjoying our status as the laughing stock of the world?
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:33 pm

I knew that piece of chum would be irresistable to some. The answer to your question is yes. Surely James would agree that his desired result in November has greatly increased probability due to this debacle.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Sbooker » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:19 pm

I’m not well in tune with American politics but I wouldn’t think there is any certainty with regard the result in November. Still a long way to go.
Edit. While we're here could someone explain why The Democrats can't find a candidate more likely to secure a victory than their current choice? Surely there's someone else in a country of 300 million?

Back to skiing.
My plans of skiing next month have nose dived but I’ll keep some hope.
The Victorian/NSW border was open when the cluster appeared in metro Melbourne. There are now cases appearing in western Sydney. The border between NSW and Qld is now open so I’m certain we’ll have cases here soon.

The fear is our government will slap a quarantine order on returning Queenslanders if (when) case numbers increase in NSW. That is now hotel quarantine at the expense of the ‘consumer’. I can’t afford the 16 days off work and the bill for 4 people would be horrendous. It’s just not worth the risk.
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Re: NZ and Oz - 2020.

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:25 pm

So why wasn't NZ a safer bet than Thredbo this season?

The Democrats wanted to avoid nominating someone many people actively dislike, which was a big part of the problem last time. The strategy seems to be get out of the way and let Trump self destruct. So far it's working quite well.
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