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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:57 pm

Extremely Canadian's trips are Aug 23-30 and Aug 30 - Sept. 6. On average they have majority winter conditions during their first week and transition to spring in their second. We know it was all spring last year because we were in Chile in a similar time frame. But at least Marte was open all that time with the clear weather. Conditions were similar to Portillo's but of course with the much larger scale of terrain.

Despite EC's touting the Santa Rosa storms (Aug. 30 is the commemorative date for SA's first saint), the data Joe Lammers gave me shows the average snowfall peak in July. So the likelihood of an extended shutdown of Marte in EC's time frame is lower than earlier in the season. Nonetheless it has happened on 2 of their trips, mine included. Purely based upon weather, I would have had 3 sunny days with Marte open vs. the actual only one due to excavation of the lift. A week in Las Lenas with 3 days of Marte is far better than anything else lift serviced in the Southern Hemisphere.

In general Patrick's strategy for the Southern Hemisphere is sound. Defer the decision as long as possible, and make snow conditions the primary factor in where to go.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:26 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:A week in Las Lenas with 3 days of Marte is far better than anything else lift serviced in the Southern Hemisphere.


I didn't have exact numbers, but I remember seeing TGR's Maggots LL regulars mentioning a .300 to .350 batting average with Marte.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:30 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:In general Patrick's strategy for the Southern Hemisphere is sound. Defer the decision as long as possible, and make snow conditions the primary factor in where to go.

The problem with this strategy is that relatively priced accomodations at LL seem hard to fine at the last minute. I guess it's probably similar to the Portillo hype where the places attract great to not so great skiers from all over the World. Las Lenas and Portillo are definitely not off the beaten path.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:39 pm

I see a big difference between Portillo and Las Lenas logistics. You can easily stay in Los Andes with a rental car for Portillo, and since Arpa snowcat came into the picture in 2003 there is added incentive to stay down the hill to hit both places. Organized groups like Powderquest are doing that too.

Thus my earlier comments about price and Las Lenas. Even though there is much more lodging than at Portillo, you really do have to stay in the resort as it's so remote. Then there is the matter of getting there. Most end up doing those Saturday flights from B.A. to Malargue, which also may force earlier reserving time than desired. There is an overnight bus that I mentioned in my feature. Patrick might want to look into that.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:16 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:There is an overnight bus that I mentioned in my feature. Patrick might want to look into that.

I am way ahead on my planning both opinions, especially regarding ski areas and major travel arrangement like A to B or B to F. Uncertain is A to B with a stopover at P. Lodging is where I lack detailed and specific info, it's true that until recently I wasn't looking at Las Lenas, however I was force to look at a Plan B in case I decided against Plan A.

Cheaper alternate lodging options include Los Molles (limited) and Malargue (far, but done as last resort...as resort forces one-week stays à la Portillo (2nd hand info).

Talking about Plan A. I've heard that Catedral in Bariloche might have received 60cm on top today.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:33 am

I'm kind of stuck since I have a leftover deposit from a cancelled trip at Termas de Chillan from last summer. It's 'use it or lose it' at this point. My out of pocket this year is really low since I'm on frequent flyer miles and the resort is already partily paid.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:13 am

Real improvement in the central Andean western side (Chapelco & Catedral).

Today's (July 21th) update.

Chile:

Ski Arpa: 20 - 20 cm
Portillo: 184 - 179 cm
La Parva: 198 - 315 cm
El Colorado: 80 - 120 cm
Valle Nevado: 86 - 86 cm
Termas de Chillan: 30 - 60 cm
Villarrica/Pucon: 35 - 35 cm

Argentina:

Las Lenas: 82 - 200 cm
Caviahue: 40 - 120 cm
Chapelco: 25 - 173cm
Cerro Catedral: 0 - 90 cm
Cerro Bayo: CLOSED 0 - 0 cm
La Hoya: CLOSED 0 - 0 cm
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:21 am

Talking about Plan A. I've heard that Catedral in Bariloche might have received 60cm on top today.


0-90cm base for a trip of that length and expense would not tempt me. I did that in Thredbo for a day in July 1997 and it was worth the experience. BUT I was in Sydney/Canberra anyway on a family vacation, so the marginal cost of that ski day was a lift ticket, demo skis plus one night in a ski lodge (fun with the Aussie locals, sort of like the place Patrick was in Chillan).
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:07 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:
Talking about Plan A. I've heard that Catedral in Bariloche might have received 60cm on top today.


0-90cm base for a trip of that length and expense would not tempt me.


Well, I was just reporting the numbers in case someone heading to Bariloche wanted to know. Bases of 0-90 and 25-173 are better than 0-60 and 0-26 that Catedral and Chapelco had last week.

I'll make my decision on where I'll go 5 weeks from now. :P
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby skibum4ever » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:06 pm

Patrick,

I have about 30000 Chilean pesos left over if you'd like to make a deal. :wink:
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:31 pm

skibum4ever wrote:Patrick,

I have about 30000 Chilean pesos left over if you'd like to make a deal. :wink:


Do you have any Argentian Pesos? :wink:

Happy you had fun.


Today's (July 29th) update. Not much change in Argentina, increase in some of Chilean areas.

Chile:

Ski Arpa: 20 - 20 cm
Portillo: 164 - 196 cm
La Parva: 198 - 315 cm
El Colorado: 120- 150 cm
Valle Nevado: 100 - 100 cm
Termas de Chillan: 30 - 60 cm
Villarrica/Pucon: 60 - 60 cm

Argentina:

Las Lenas: 82 - 200 cm
Caviahue: 40 - 120 cm
Chapelco: 25 - 180cm
Cerro Catedral: 0 - 85 cm
Cerro Bayo: not reporting
La Hoya: not reporting
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:33 am

Pardon my ignorance, but what airline these days is going to let Patrick get a ticket (points or otherwise) a day before he leaves?

Perhaps he's bought the ticket to Buenos Aires and wants to hold off the Las Lenas vs. Bariloche decision.

I see no point in this.
1. South America snowfall declines on average by month after July
2. Bariloche only averages 120 inches mid-mountain
3. Bariloche is low altitude and east facing, not ideal as spring encroaches.

It's going to take miracles for Bariloche to have decent skiing a month from now. Bottom line, try to cut the best lodging deal you can find at Las Lenas, the sooner the better.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:16 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:I see no point in this.
1. South America snowfall declines on average by month after July


I've experienced two 10 foot dumps in August this decade in Chile. It's the snow that's actually on the ground while you're there that matters. Even if it sucks, it's still better than sitting in front of a computer screen somewhere in North America over-analyzing the weather.

In conclusion:
Shut up and ski.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:16 pm

Geoff wrote:it's still better than sitting in front of a computer screen somewhere in North America over-analyzing the weather.

I don't think he's in North America, there is a solar eclipse this week that won't be visible here. :mrgreen:

Tony Crocker wrote:Perhaps he's bought the ticket to Buenos Aires and wants to hold off the Las Lenas vs. Bariloche decision.

Si, landing in Santiago and flying out of Buenos Aires, senor Crocker. :-"
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:58 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:It's going to take miracles for Bariloche to have decent skiing a month from now. Bottom line, try to cut the best lodging deal you can find at Las Lenas, the sooner the better.


You always talked about how the powderhounds got the goods BECAUSE they were booking on fixed days? :-k My track record is pretty good, I'm in no hurry.

Geoff wrote:I've experienced two 10 foot dumps in August this decade in Chile. It's the snow that's actually on the ground while you're there that matters.


:P

http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Catedral/6day/top

http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Portillo/6day/top

Next 6 days forecast from snow-forecast:

Portillo: 28cm :|
Las Lenas: 37cm
Catedral: 118cm :mrgreen: \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

I know where I would be going if I were there NOW. :mrgreen: However I'll wait as long as possible to make my decision.

Today's (August 1st) update. Lake District is suppose to be hammered. Chilean ski areas numbers are from yesterday (July 31st). Ski areas like Portillo are close today due to snow, onthesnow.com doesn't have today's numbers. Heard that Termas was real good today.

I've added some info on latest snow:

*new snow in last *24-72 hr*

Chile:

Ski Arpa (July 29): 20 - 20 cm
Portillo: 163 - 195 cm *4-4cm*
La Parva: 208 - 335 cm *2-2cm*
El Colorado: 130- 140 cm *2-2cm*
Valle Nevado: 100 - 100 cm
Termas de Chillan: 25 - 50 cm
Villarrica/Pucon: 75 - 75 cm

Argentina:

Las Lenas: 82 - 200 cm * 30-30cm*
Caviahue: 40 - 120 cm
Chapelco: 31 - 225cm * 5-60cm*
Cerro Catedral: 8 - 105 cm *15-30cm*
Cerro Bayo: not reporting
La Hoya: not reporting
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