The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:26 am

Termas de Chillan:
VILLA BOSQUE NEVADO : 25cm.
NOVICE ZONE : 35 cm.
MEDIUM ZONE : 60 cm.
HIGH ZONE : 180 cm.

Sigh... well, it's not a total disaster at the moment. I imagine the snow up by the cornice under the rope at the top of the Don Otto is fine. I don't really care about the lower mountain other than being able to ski from the hotel down to the bottom of the bunny slope first thing in the morning. One good dump and I should be OK. A week of melting and I'll be looking at a lot of base welds.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:25 pm

I've experienced two 10 foot dumps in August this decade in Chile. It's the snow that's actually on the ground while you're there that matters.
I have emphasized as much as anyone the propensity of these areas to get their snow in massive dumps. But that's not Catedral, which is well leeward of the crest of the Andes. It's common sense. What's the likelihood of an area that averages 10 feet in an entire season of getting that kind of snow in one storm? Note that the hyped prediction from snow-forecast (a computer model based in England) turned out to be 15-30 cm.

Even if it sucks, it's still better than sitting in front of a computer screen somewhere in North America over-analyzing the weather.
I was not under the impression that most of the people on this board would consider it acceptable to spend 2-3K on a trip and spend most of it looking at rocks.

I do advocate flexibility. Patrick's concerns at this point should be:
1) Can the Buenos Aires to ski resort buses sell out?
2) How tight is lodging at Las Lenas? If price/availability ares unlikely to change much, he can keep waiting.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:09 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:I was not under the impression that most of the people on this board would consider it acceptable to spend 2-3K on a trip and spend most of it looking at rocks.


You must be one of those people who can't ski the woods because they're looking at the trees instead of the gaps between them. 180 cm base at the top of Termas de Chillan is just fine. I'm sure the off piste cornice under the rope off the top of the Don Otto is in good shape. I really don't care about the flat lower mountain other than having just enough snow to get from the hotel down to the bottom of the lift.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Admin » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:25 pm

Geoff wrote:You must be one of those people who can't ski the woods because they're looking at the trees instead of the gaps between them.


:lol: No, he's one of those people who think that I ski through rabbit warrens.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:05 pm

My comments were directed at Catedral, not Chillan. The latter's base of 25-180 is a bit different from 8-105. I think it's safe to say that the lower half of Catedral must be downloaded at the moment. Or else there's a snowmaking WROD to get down the hill at the end of the day.

More relevantly, Chillan likely averages 300+ inches per season (at least 2.5x as much as Catedral), so the possibility exists at any time for a big dump to bring on epic conditions.

From what I see, conditions at Las Lenas are acceptable at the best ski area in the southern hemisphere. So what is the rationale for holding out for a miracle to turn around Bariloche? Since Bariloche is chronically less reliable, it would have made sense to go there in 2007 when it was having a big year. I may wait for such a year in the future to return to South America.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:22 am

Jeez, Tony. I just go skiing and don't agonize over waiting for the perfect day and the perfect condition. Life is far to short to sit on the sidelines rationalizing reasons why I shouldn't go do something I truly love to do. When you live in the land of McClimate in LA where it's warm & sunny for 300-odd days per year, I guess you develop a different set of expectations.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:25 am

Admin wrote:
Geoff wrote:You must be one of those people who can't ski the woods because they're looking at the trees instead of the gaps between them.


:lol: No, he's one of those people who think that I ski through rabbit warrens.


All those cigarettes stunted your growth. You don't even need to duck.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Admin » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:58 am

Geoff wrote:All those cigarettes stunted your growth. You don't even need to duck.


I just do it to make it fair when hiking with flatlanders.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:14 am

Patrick and I have somewhat similar criteria in planning these trips, mainly placing a high priority on trying new places. Since I skied Las Lenas in 2005 and the areas around Santiago last year, my next priority would be the areas farther south I haven't skied yet. But given the disparity of snow in 2008, I'd still go back to a place I've been with decent conditions over a new place with marginal conditions.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby rfarren » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:40 pm

Admin wrote:
Geoff wrote:All those cigarettes stunted your growth. You don't even need to duck.


I just do it to make it fair when hiking with flatlanders.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:02 pm

On vacation somewhere in the Northeast and haven't check snow totals in a while. :D

Tony Crocker wrote:But given the disparity of snow in 2008, I'd still go back to a place I've been with decent conditions over a new place with marginal conditions.


I also checked my email. Got one about the fact that Catedral was really good right now, so I still happy I didn't choose to quick.


I've added some info on latest snow:

*new snow in last *24-72 hr*

Chile:

Ski Arpa: 120 - 120 cm
Portillo: 221 - 260 cm *27-50cm*
La Parva: 270 - 400 cm *10-10cm*
El Colorado: 160- 180 cm *10-20cm*
Valle Nevado: 150 - 150 cm *0-25cm*
Termas de Chillan: 35 - 180 cm
Villarrica/Pucon: 150 - 150 cm

Argentina:

Las Lenas: 65 - 170 cm * 0-15cm*
Caviahue: 90 - 160 cm
Chapelco: 38 - 196cm *10-48cm*
Cerro Catedral: 35 - 190 cm *0-50cm*
Cerro Bayo: not reporting
La Hoya: not reporting
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby skibum4ever » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:10 pm

Big snows coming in the next day or two . . . . :D

Enjoy it, Patrick, whatever you decide.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Patrick » Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:27 am

The early concerns about lack of snow in certain regions seem to have been removed. All my options are wide open.

Numbers from August 18th.

*new snow in last *24-72 hr*

Chile:

Ski Arpa (Aug11): 120 - 120 cm
Portillo: 302 - 360 cm *12-12cm* (Temporarily Closed)
La Parva: 370 - 550 cm *10-10cm*
El Colorado: 200- 200 cm *6-6cm*
Valle Nevado (Aug15): 150 - 150 cm *5-5cm*
Termas de Chillan: 35 - 180 cm
Villarrica/Pucon: 190 - 190 cm

Argentina:

Las Lenas: 65 - 170 cm
Caviahue: 90 - 160 cm
Chapelco: 38 - 196cm
Cerro Catedral: 20 - 195 cm
Cerro Bayo: not reporting
La Hoya: not reporting
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:01 pm

What Patrick really needs are some eyewitness reports, and there are not many. I did find this from Bariloche http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/show ... p?t=130582 . It sounds like the earlier storms this month have brought adequate cover to the upper slopes. The base area is only decent in big years like 2007, so conditions now may be fairly "normal." Whether that's good enough is one's personal opinion.

It looks like the best conditions in South America are the places Patrick and I went last year; not the news either one of us would prefer on a new trip.
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Re: The Red Flag for Andes 2008 is Removed

Postby Geoff » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:47 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:What Patrick really needs are some eyewitness reports, and there are not many.


I can only speak to Nevados de Chillan. When the hotel company sold the ski area operation this year and they re-branded from Termas de Chillan to Nevados de Chillan, the snow reporting went to hell. The report on the internet is a good three weeks out of date and they've had a bunch of major dumps since then. It puked snow on Monday and Tuesday. We had some sun this morning and it's now puking again. The only problem is that they've had sustained high winds all week so I still haven't been to the very top of the mountain. There's nobody here so it's not that big a deal but I'd rather have easier access to the best terrain rather than linking together surface lifts with something between small craft warnings and a full gale blowing in your face on the way up the hill. You can't get much higher than mid-mountain on a chairlift. The Don Otto ran briefly to get the snow off the chairs but the longest chairlift in Chile (and slowest) hasn't loaded since I've gotten here.
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