soulskier
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Mountain Rider's Alliance has launched the website for their minimalist ski area on the Kenai Peninsula of Alaska
http://www.skimanitobamountain.com/
http://www.skimanitobamountain.com/
does not cut it for me as reasonable marketing. It's blatantly misleading IMHO. How many North American ski areas have more than 10,000 acres of ski terrain within a 2 hour hike from the lifts? A lot I would suspect."within a 2 hour hike"
Tony Crocker":qp1lr1mx said:does not cut it for me as reasonable marketing. It's blatantly misleading IMHO. How many North American ski areas have more than 10,000 acres of ski terrain within a 2 hour hike from the lifts? A lot I would suspect."within a 2 hour hike"
Oh, please get serious and quit bullshitting us. Using that criteria, all four Cottonwood Canyon resorts in UT....and without a two hour hike. That much of a hike would give you almost all of Wasatch Powder Birds permit area. A two hour hike is not lift accessible for any but the most deluded.soulskier":2zazxwxe said:Tony Crocker":2zazxwxe said:does not cut it for me as reasonable marketing. It's blatantly misleading IMHO. How many North American ski areas have more than 10,000 acres of ski terrain within a 2 hour hike from the lifts? A lot I would suspect."within a 2 hour hike"
Maybe a better question is how many ski areas have Heli-Skiing type terrain accessible directly from their lifts?
Marc_C":32v4dtwc said:Oh, please get serious and quit bullshitting us. Using that criteria, all four Cottonwood Canyon resorts in UT....and without a two hour hike. That much of a hike would give you almost all of Wasatch Powder Birds permit area. A two hour hike is not lift accessible for any but the most deluded.
In addition to MarcC's examples, Jackson, Bridger, Squaw/Alpine/Sugar Bowl, Crystal come to mind. Within 2 hours hike above the lifts, you can see some amazing terrain at Telluride. For that matter I'll bet icelantic can get to that level of terrain in the Presidential Range of NH within 2 hours.soulskier":opvmqnig said:Maybe a better question is how many ski areas have Heli-Skiing type terrain accessible directly from their lifts?
Tony Crocker":2kuaftz5 said:In addition to MarcC's examples, Jackson, Bridger, Squaw/Alpine/Sugar Bowl, Crystal come to mind. Within 2 hours hike above the lifts, you can see some amazing terrain at Telluride. For that matter I'll bet icelantic can get to that level of terrain in the Presidential Range of NH within 2 hours.soulskier":2kuaftz5 said:Maybe a better question is how many ski areas have Heli-Skiing type terrain accessible directly from their lifts?
I am on record here of wishing for Manitoba Mountain to succeed. But I really, really despise over-the-top marketing hype and wish soulskier would cut it out.
Tony Crocker":31kjb7st said:In addition to MarcC's examples, Jackson, Bridger, Squaw/Alpine/Sugar Bowl, Crystal come to mind. Within 2 hours hike above the lifts, you can see some amazing terrain at Telluride. For that matter I'll bet icelantic can get to that level of terrain in the Presidential Range of NH within 2 hours.soulskier":31kjb7st said:Maybe a better question is how many ski areas have Heli-Skiing type terrain accessible directly from their lifts?
I am on record here of wishing for Manitoba Mountain to succeed. But I really, really despise over-the-top marketing hype and wish soulskier would cut it out.
jamesdeluxe":108i9hx0 said:Can't remember if I already asked this, but I'm curious how much Soul Skier has been in touch with Aaron/Jen Brill -- what he's learned from Silverton and how he's applying it to Manitoba.
I have no clue how much of the spaghetti that's being thrown at SS in this forum will turn out to be true, but it's fascinating to see how people here seem to be taking this ski area as a personal affront, as if he'd insulted their mothers. Even if some of his statements here are proved to be delusional or unrealistic, I salute the fact that he's putting his money/time/effort where his mouth is instead of just complaining about the status quo over and over.
I agree completely with the last sentence. Just to be clear, like Tony, I also would like to see Manitoba succeed, as it does represent a distinctly different style of ski area, in the spirit of Silverton and MRG. What I do take affront to is inflated, basically dishonest marketing hype of the type that is endemic in the business. The repeated reference to 10K acres is one example. Being "family oriented", despite whatever that exactly means, is another. So are estimates of the visitation when the major population base would have to drive significantly beyond Alyeska (which does have the infrastructure and services for families). Sooner or later Manitoba will be seeking investors in the form of coop share owners and we've already seen in these threads a distinctly idealistic, probably unrealistic, and obscenely optimistic projection of the project's visitation and finances.jamesdeluxe":20oh2rtx said:I have no clue how much of the spaghetti that's being thrown at SS in this forum will turn out to be true, but it's fascinating to see how people here seem to be taking this ski area as a personal affront, as if he'd insulted their mothers. Even if some of his statements here are proved to be delusional or unrealistic, I salute the fact that he's putting his money/time/effort where his mouth is instead of just complaining about the status quo over and over.
Marc_C":24xxg87a said:I agree completely with the last sentence. Just to be clear, like Tony, I also would like to see Manitoba succeed, as it does represent a distinctly different style of ski area, in the spirit of Silverton and MRG. What I do take affront to is inflated, basically dishonest marketing hype of the type that is endemic in the business. The repeated reference to 10K acres is one example. Being "family oriented", despite whatever that exactly means, is another. So are estimates of the visitation when the major population base would have to drive significantly beyond Alyeska (which does have the infrastructure and services for families). Sooner or later Manitoba will be seeking investors in the form of coop share owners and we've already seen in these threads a distinctly idealistic, probably unrealistic, and obscenely optimistic projection of the project's visitation and finances.jamesdeluxe":24xxg87a said:I have no clue how much of the spaghetti that's being thrown at SS in this forum will turn out to be true, but it's fascinating to see how people here seem to be taking this ski area as a personal affront, as if he'd insulted their mothers. Even if some of his statements here are proved to be delusional or unrealistic, I salute the fact that he's putting his money/time/effort where his mouth is instead of just complaining about the status quo over and over.
So yes, be successful, but cut out the overinflated hype and be conservatively rational in the financial estimates. It's those latter two that continue to rankle me, Tony, Geoff, rfarren, et al.
soulskier":1g8dv9sh said:I don't think it's a coincidence that the 4 most offended by the "over-hyping" do not ski at a level to enjoy the "10,000 acres of terrain". Many big mountain skiers are very excited about the ability to access this type of terrain for a very reasonable price, instead of dropping close to a grand for a day of heli skiing.Marc_C":1g8dv9sh said:It's those latter two that continue to rankle me, Tony, Geoff, rfarren, et al.