15-16 Season Recap

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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue May 17, 2016 11:23 am

jamesdeluxe wrote:
Tony Crocker wrote: before the Streak became a driver of ski decisions. I don't think it's a coincidence that Patrick has not set foot in the North American West or the Alps in the winter since that trip in 2006.

You're trying to apply your logic system to someone who doesn't share it.


That's obvious, but does not change the likely validity of my observation.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Tue May 17, 2016 12:29 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:That's obvious, but does not change the likely validity of my observation.


Tony: I don't understand, he should travel more and spend money to ski? He's skiing crap.
Patrick: Skiing is next door and get paid to do it.
Tony: I don't care, you're skiing's crap.
Patrick: Skiing is never crappy, only skiers are. You don't develop the skills if you ski hero snow all the time.
Tony: Are you saying that you would choose to ski your molehills over heliskiing in Alaska?
Patrick: If I can afford bought, I would do both. If I have to choose one ski day in the season which would be heliskiing vs a full season here, I have no hesitation what so ever.
Tony: You're are totally illogical.
Patrick: I prefer skiing 100 times on molehills versus 5 days of powder.
Tony: I don't know what to say.
Patrick: Skiing is a way of a life. I love it.
Tony: I don't understand that you would go to take a ski trip to Tasmania.
Patrick: I wouldn't be a ski trip to Tasmania, it would be a trip to Tasmania which would involve skiing. My trip to the Alps last year wasn't a ski trip, it was a trip which involved skiing. How many times to get to ski in powder with kangaroos? Yes, kangaroos.
Tony: Yes, but skiing is in winter.
Patrick: I wanted to travel out West in Winter ALSO, but family, WORK, health issues hasn't allowed me to do it.

My great 2006 trip vacation was almost cancelled, regardless of plane tickets and vacation approval months ahead of time. It was impossible to get my 2008 approved, even months ahead of time. Isn't that so hard to understand? :dead horse:
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed May 18, 2016 12:57 am

Patrick wrote:Tony: I don't understand, he should travel more and spend money to ski? He's skiing crap.

Actually Patrick is skiing "crap" a lot of the time when he does travel and spend money because of the time frame he spends the $$$ on during most of the streak years.
Patrick wrote:Patrick: Skiing is never crappy, only skiers are. You don't develop the skills if you ski hero snow all the time.

True, but there are a lot of skills you don't develop if you ski molehills all the time either. This is not relevant to Patrick as he learned those skills long ago. But it leads to the point about how most skiers at his level would be bored stiff skiing those hills 80+% of the time. And while the number of Patrick's days may be up, the amount of skiing per day is surely down a lot vs. seasons like 2005-06.
Patrick wrote:Patrick: I prefer skiing 100 times on molehills versus 5 days of powder.

That's a tradeoff where you might find a fair number of skiers taking either position. But the comparison which set off this discussion was 70 days of molehills vs. 20 days of interesting terrain, Euro culture and some powder.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Marc_C » Wed May 18, 2016 9:27 am

Tony Crocker wrote:Blowing one's travel budget to ski someplace like that while yo-yoing similar sized areas for 80+% of the northern winter is a true oxymoron.

Tony, please, just stop. Really.
Different people ski for different reasons.
Different people like to go to areas that wouldn't be your choice for different reasons than you.
Please stop imposing your value system on everyone else.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Thu May 19, 2016 8:03 am

I suppose everyone looks at other people's ski lives and thinks "wow, that's exactly what I'd do if I had the time, money, etc." or "wow, that guy's nuts; instead of that, I would've [fill in the blank]."

Tony just takes the additional step of publicly telling selected people that he thinks they're nuts. :lol:
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Marc_C » Thu May 19, 2016 1:36 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:Tony just takes the additional step of publicly telling selected people that he thinks they're nuts. :lol:

Which is kinda rude and somewhat condescending.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri May 20, 2016 2:36 pm

Marc_C wrote:Which is kinda rude and somewhat condescending.

Pot, meet kettle. :roll:
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Admin » Mon May 23, 2016 9:40 am

Marc_C wrote:
jamesdeluxe wrote:Tony just takes the additional step of publicly telling selected people that he thinks they're nuts. :lol:

Which is kinda rude and somewhat condescending.


FWIW, I'm in complete agreement.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Anthony » Tue May 24, 2016 6:59 pm

20 Times this season ,lowest total ever . Average is about 30.
Kicking Horse BC 6
Revelstoke BC 1
Jay Peak VT 3
Tremblant QC 1
Alta ( ski touring ) QC 4
Laurentian Mole Hills 5

10 days short of average ,it is what it is . Not skiing MRG was rough .
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Wed May 25, 2016 10:23 am

As bad as it was compared to a "normal" season -- based on Zoneski TRs, the Laurentians were in far better shape than south of the border or the Eastern Townships. Still, Anthony's dearth of local skiing speaks volumes.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby tseeb » Tue May 31, 2016 8:49 am

I haven't finished my report of skiing Mammoth on Friday and Saturday before Memorial Day, but do have my Season Recap ready.

52 days surpassed goal of 50 and previous high of 44 in 2011-12. Total vertical 1.2M which beats previous high of 949K last season.

Days on Tahoe Value Pass 28 (11@Kirkwood, 8@Heavenly, 6@Northstar, plus A-Basin, Breckenridge and Vail).
Last year I had 20 (10@Kirkwood, 7@Heavenly, 5@Northstar. One day was all three)

Days on Mountain Collective 10, includes 3@Aspen (all free), 3@Whistler (one was half-price), 2@Squaw and 2@Mammoth.

Days in CA=30 (includes many CA/NV days at Heavenly). Days in other states=11 (6 CO, 2 NV, 1 OR and 1 WA-first time ever in WA and now have skied all contiguous Western States. First time since 2013-14 with no skiing in UT or WY). Days in Canada=11 (All BC)

Season highlight again was road trip to Canada that included skiing 13 days in a rows starting with three new to me ski areas in the Okanagan, cat skiing with great conditions (3 days), 2 more days at new to me resorts in BC, then 3 days at Whistler and finally on way home my first time skiing in WA state and at Mt Ashland, OR.

My best powder days of year are harder to pick other than Mustang. Some OK days with new snow at Heavenly, Kirkwood and Northstar, but all had some challenges due to (usually my) late start, lifts not running or not as deep as expected/reported. Also had good powder days at Apex and Sierra and got to ski Vail in powder.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:25 pm

Area Sum of Days Sum of Vertical Sum of Powder
Mt. Baldy 1 4.5 0
Mammoth 21 459.7 15
Snow Summit 1.5 38.6 0
Bear Mt. 0.5 8.3 0
Heavenly Valley 2 42.3 1
Squaw Valley 2 38.8 0
Park City 0.5 7.8 2
Snowbird 4 88 20
Alta 2 40.6 6
Apex Alpine 1 27.1 14
Big White 1 15.8 6
Silver Star 1 26.4 2
The Canyons 0.5 18.7 3
Revelstoke 1 27.8 1
Mustang Powder Snowcat 3 48.4 43
Niseko, Japan 5 95 39
Rusutsu, Japan 1 16.3 8
*Furano, Japan 1 16.1 6
*Tomamu, Japan 1 14 5
*Moiwa, Japan 1 12.8 6
*Kiroro, Japan 1 12.3 5
*Sapporo Kokusai, Japan 1 8.4 4
*Sapporo Teine, Japan 1 4.7 1
Totals 54 1072.4 187

* = new area, total now 201 areas

To no surprise this was my lowest number of ski days since retirement due to not skiing from Feb. 24 - Mar. 23. However, last year I thought I might not break 50 days because of the Indonesia trip. One lucky break was an early start to Mammoth's season (first time I've had 4 lift served days in November). I also had 5 trips and 13 days at Mammoth in spring, totals exceeded only in 2010-11. The November 11 opening day was my 6th earliest and the stretch from then to northern closing date of June 13 was also 6th longest. The break I didn't get in 2015-16 was El Nino producing for the SoCal locals. I only had 3 local days and the Baldy passes were a complete waste.

2015-16 was an above average season for powder, with more than two of the other post retirement seasons. 14.3% of lift served skiing was powder vs. 10.8% average since 1997 when I first got powder skis. Of course it helps when 12 days are in Japan in January. But there was also a bell-to-bell powder day at Apex in February and a weather timed last week of March in Utah. It was also nice to see Mustang Snowcat return to its usual excellence in 2015-16.

Note to Patrick on dates skied for the first time: Nov.11, Dec. 9&24, May 5&6. June 12. Total dates skied is now 250.
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:23 am

Tony Crocker wrote:not skiing from Feb. 24 - Mar. 23.

No comment from Patrick about Tony going AWOL during the heart of the northern-hemisphere ski season? :stir:
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:26 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:
Tony Crocker wrote:not skiing from Feb. 24 - Mar. 23.

No comment from Patrick about Tony going AWOL during the heart of the northern-hemisphere ski season? :stir:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 15-16 Season Recap

Postby Marc_C » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:56 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:
Tony Crocker wrote:not skiing from Feb. 24 - Mar. 23.

No comment from Patrick about Tony going AWOL during the heart of the northern-hemisphere ski season? :stir:

Obviously a serious bit of poor planning and misallocation of funds.
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