Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Canyon

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Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Canyon

Postby Admin » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:25 am

Well, I apparently can't read a calendar because the second installment of our trip last week through southern UT/northern AZ/southern NV auto-published on YouTube last night 5 days ahead of schedule:



Anyhoo, cat's out of the bag now. :oops: In this episode, we're boondocking along FR-535 in the Coconino National Forest about halfway between Flagstaff and Sedona, AZ. Here are some photos from the video:

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Our camp

Along the way we visited Sedona, Flagstaff, Sunset Crater and Wupatki National Monuments, the Grand Canyon and the San Francisco Peaks (including Arizona Snowbowl):

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Sedona

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Wupatki National Monument

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The Grand Canyon

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The San Francisco Peaks

Enjoy! In the next video installment, we'll travel to Lake Mead and Valley of Fire near Las Vegas. I welcome your comments and feedback!
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Evren » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:54 am

Really professional lookin' videos you got there. Watched episodes 2 and 3. Well-edited; soundtrack was right on spot and transitions were seamless. Somewhat reminiscent of Rick Steves' Europe, in tone -- and I don't mean his cloyingly dorky mannerisms. The aerial shots must have cost a fortune in helicopter rental(!) yet do add quite a bit. Zoecam was a nice comic relief.
Episode 3 felt a little heavy on footage of "What we're gonna do" vs actually doing it. That'd be my criticism. And it would be good to be on the lookout for a signature quirk over time, to stand out better in the ocean that is YouTube.
I also have not seen Grand Canyon yet have a strong sense that it will be a "meh" overall experience for the reasons you mention. Though I feel I should, as it is getting old -- not to mention, hurting my credibility -- to add that caveat every time I steer a fellow traveler towards Southern Utah instead. Am in Moab now. If I can peel myself from the gorgeous fall weather and the cushy modern library here, I can make it there. I swear, these tax-rich little tourist towns have the best libraries ever -- Park City, Jackson, Bozeman, Moab.
I watched the videos as part of my YouTube Red subscription -- how many cents is that worth per view? Just curious.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Admin » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:09 pm

Evren wrote:Really professional lookin' videos you got there. Watched episodes 2 and 3. Well-edited; soundtrack was right on spot and transitions were seamless. Somewhat reminiscent of Rick Steves' Europe, in tone -- and I don't mean his cloyingly dorky mannerisms. The aerial shots must have cost a fortune in helicopter rental(!) yet do add quite a bit. Zoecam was a nice comic relief.


I appreciate it! And thanks for the subscribe.

Evren wrote:Episode 3 felt a little heavy on footage of "What we're gonna do" vs actually doing it. That'd be my criticism.


I actually agree. I'm unfortunately still in my learning phase, and that's something that stood out to me as well. Unfortunately, those sequences had already been shot and I was home long before I realized my error and had no better way to introduce the sequences. I'll get better at this stuff over time.

Evren wrote:I watched the videos as part of my YouTube Red subscription -- how many cents is that worth per view? Just curious.


At the moment, nada. YouTube doesn't allow monetization until a creator achieves 10,000 lifetime video views. So, keep watching those vids over and over. :wink: At the moment I'm doing Grand Adventure just for kicks and a creative outlet. And actually, I'm not sure that a Red subscription (which I have as well) provides any monetization as of course, a Red subscriber sees no ads.

And while we're at it, YouTube won't allow me to claim youtube.com/GrandAdventure (instead of the incredibly memorable youtube.com/channel/UCFbkbLZ1WoWMGkGe7gUw27w) until I hit 100 subscribers, so the rest of you go hit that subscribe button!
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Evren » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:00 pm

Admin sez:
" I'm not sure that a Red subscription (which I have as well) provides any monetization as of course, a Red subscriber sees no ads."

Part of the spiel when I first signed up was, "support the content creators directly" or some such. Which led me to believe that they split subscription revenue based on my watching history... Aaand a quick search confirms this. They have separate tallies of ad revenue and Red revenue in your analytics screen. I also learned that while I pay 12.99 because I signed up through iOS, I can get that down to 9.99 by signing up directly with Google (since Apple takes its cut). Man! Watching your videos just saved me 23% on my monthly entertainment budget -- satisfied customer here :)
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Admin » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:06 pm

Better still, I pay $7.99 a month for my Google music subscription, and it includes YouTube Red. The price has gone up on Google Music since then, but I am grandfathered in.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:48 pm

I had to pause your video for a moment and was quite amused by the paused screen:
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YouTube seems to realize that admin missed the Grandest Adventure of 2017.


Evren wrote:I also have not seen Grand Canyon yet have a strong sense that it will be a "meh" overall experience for the reasons you mention. Though I feel I should, as it is getting old -- not to mention, hurting my credibility -- to add that caveat every time I steer a fellow traveler towards Southern Utah instead.

Both of you ought to know that the far less touristy North Rim is a logical extension to a southern Utah trip. As for the South Rim I was there for half a day on the way home from Colorado April ski road trips in 2001 and 2011. In both cases I hiked halfway down and back in 4-5 hours. I don't think admin is too infirm yet for that. The Grand Canyon is so huge you don't see much of the bottom from the rim or vice versa. I find some of the views from halfway down well worth the trouble, and of course the crowds mostly thin out by then. There is an excellent viewpoint only 600 vertical down the Kaibab Trail.
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Halfway down ~2,000 vertical the river finally comes into view.
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Views in different directions:
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Mule trains on the way back up:
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Also do it in early spring or fall to avoid the blazing heat as you descend.

Nonetheless I have to say the one week river trip was the most impressive.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby snowave » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:17 am

great job! We were just in Sedona a couple weeks ago for the first time ourselves. Seems like we're following each other!

Keep up the good work, and thanks for the ideas, too.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Admin » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:51 am

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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Evren » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:54 pm

Imma troll Tony for a bit :)

Hey Tony, this is what passes for a state park in Utah (Dead Horse Point); it has two national parks and a mtn biking mecca next to it:

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...and that's the Colorado, winding through the canyon.
It has a cooler name than "Grand Canyon" (obvious, much?) The town is pretty hip with a regular-priced grocery; there is plenty of boondocking available just a few miles away; and the library is the cat's pajamas. :bow:
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Admin » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:14 pm

Beautiful shots, Evren. And I might add that you can actually drive down to the Colorado River from there, too -- just not in a Porsche Cayenne. :wink:
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:33 pm

Richard and I spent 2 days in Arches/Canyonlands in April 2011. That was earlier in the same trip as the Monument Valley and Grand Canyon pics I've posted here. Shafer Trail was probably the limit for the car.
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We also drove the easier Gemini Bridges Trail on the way into Canyonlands.
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That trip was also fast paced after a week of skiing in Colorado.
Day 1: Drive from Aspen to Moab, afternoon in Arches
Day 2: Northeast section of Canyonlands including the 2 drives above
Day 3: Southeast Canyonlands morning, drive to Natural Bridges Monument, end of the day at Monument Valley
Day 4: Kaibab Trail hike halfway down the Grand Canyon 9AM-1PM, then we drove ~500 miles home.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Admin » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:12 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:Richard and I spent 2 days in Arches/Canyonlands in April 2011. That was earlier in the same trip as the Monument Valley and Grand Canyon pics I've posted here. Shafer Trail was probably the limit for the car.
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We also drove the easier Gemini Bridges Trail on the way into Canyonlands.
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That trip was also fast paced after a week of skiing in Colorado.
Day 1: Drive from Aspen to Moab, afternoon in Arches
Day 2: Northeast section of Canyonlands including the 2 drives above
Day 3: Southeast Canyonlands morning, drive to Natural Bridges Monument, end of the day at Monument Valley
Day 4: Kaibab Trail hike halfway down the Grand Canyon 9AM-1PM, then we drove ~500 miles home.


So, you did "drive-bys" of Canyonlands and Arches, the same crime you accuse me of at Grand Canyon? :-({|= And unlike the GC, Canyonlands has a million ways and a billion places to get away from everyone, due its sheer size and the relative inaccessibility of much of the park. For that reason, it's one of the few National Parks that I actually enjoy visiting.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:05 pm

Richard is not big on lengthy hikes, so that plus the timing were factors in the itinerary. Richard was interested in the off highway drives in Canyonlands so we did couple of those. I insisted on splitting up that morning at the Grand Canyon precisely because that's a place where you get a lot more out of a half day hike than you do rim peeping. I probably should have insisted Richard hike down the 600 vertical to that first viewpoint, but I did not remember that spot because I had been on the Kaibab Trail before only in 1970.

And as you note drive-bys in Arches/Canyonlands are not as congested as South Rim of the Grand Canyon. We did a few level 15-30 minute walks in those parks too.
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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Admin » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:19 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:Richard is not big on lengthy hikes, so that plus the timing were factors in the itinerary.


Mrs. Admin is not big on lengthy hikes, so that plus the timing were factors in the itinerary.

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Re: Video TR (non-skiing): Camping Flagstaff/Sedona/Grand Ca

Postby Marc_C » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:39 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:Shafer Trail was probably the limit for the car.

Admin wrote:And I might add that you can actually drive down to the Colorado River from there, too -- just not in a Porsche Cayenne. :wink:

Surprisingly - well, I was surprised - the Cayenne is rather capable. When it first came out, 4x4 Magazine (or one of its ilk) ran a test, which included bringing it through the Hell's Revenge trail. HR rates a 6 on the RR4W 1-10 difficulty scale; the tip-toe version is a 4. In contrast, Gemini Bridges and the Shaffer Trail are a 1 and 1+ / 2.

I can't find the review at the moment, but basically they said some pretty good things about its off-road capability. They also mentioned
1. most people who go off road regularly wouldn't like it since they prefer to actually drive the car themselves ie: the testers felt it was a bit too automated
2. you can buy two Jeep Rubicon Wranglers for the price of a Cayenne.

There are a ton of videos of HR, but many/most really focus on the optional obstacles like the Escalator, Hell's Gate (around an 8), and the infamous Mickey's Hot Tub.

Here's a sped up 19 minute clip:
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