2017-18 Season Recap

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2017-18 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Mon May 07, 2018 8:37 am

This was my original plan:
jamesdeluxe wrote:1. Northern Utah: Dec 14-19
In mid-December, I'll ski whatever has more than just WRODs, which usually means the Cottonwoods. Anything else (preferably Sundance and Snowbasin) is a bonus.

2. Maritimes Alpes, France: Jan 27 - Feb 4
I've always wanted to visit France's far south with ski areas that have a view of the Mediterranean on nice days. I'll fly into and out of Nice -- this'll be my first time there since I spent a semester exactly 30 years ago -- and do a 300-mile circle, hitting a bunch of joints you probably haven't heard of: Gréolières, Audibergue, Val d'Allos, Valberg, Roubion, Auron, and Isola.

3. Eastern Switzerland: Mar 9-17
A redo of my trip that was cancelled at the last minute this past March. A bunch of old-school local's ski areas (the only one you may recognise is Toggenburg) an hour or so east of Zurich/near the LIechtenstein border that I discovered while researching the Euro part of the FTO/Google Earth map.


The dates for the three destination trips stayed the same; however, due to the Wasatch's early-season woes, I ate the Utah flight, moved Trip #3 forward to mid-December (normally I wouldn't plan a trip to the Alps during that time frame, but this past season was a serious outlier, especially pre-Xmas), and replaced it with a visit to the Jungfrau region. Below, I linked to all of the posted TRs:

26 Days
2 Lenzerheide, CH
1 Pizol, CH
1 Toggenburg, CH
1 Atzmännig, CH
1 Plattekill, NY
2 WIndham, NY
2 Isola, FR
1 Auron, FR
1 Roubion, FR
2 Valberg, FR
1 Seignus, FR
1 La Foux/Pra Loup, FR
1 Ebenalp, CH
1 Tschiertschen, CH
1 Hasliberg, CH
1 Axalp, CH
1 Grindelwald/Wengen, CH
1 Schilthorn/Mürren, CH
2 Camelback, PA
2 Belleayre, NY
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon May 07, 2018 12:17 pm

19 ski days in the Alps....we had 20, both record highs I'm sure. Eventually our paths will cross.

We are not done, but it's quite warm in the West with below average snowpacks at most of the late season players. There is not going to be much skiing after Memorial Day IMHO, possibly only Blackcomb and Timberline. Those glaciers in the Alps will be loaded though, I'll bet more terrain than normal open in June/July.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue May 08, 2018 7:51 am

Tony Crocker wrote:19 ski days in the Alps....we had 20, both record highs I'm sure.

Yes, as mentioned above, there's a very low probability of another December in the Alps like this season so I'll certainly be back to two trips across the ocean next winter.

I'm curious to see your current season list -- post it! As a mod, you can always update later and erase your tracks. 8-[
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue May 08, 2018 12:34 pm

Area Sum of Days Sum of Vertical Sum of Powder
Mammoth 14 344.7 2
Snowbird 4 79.7 11
Alta 5 96.8 15
Mt. Bachelor 4 74.9 4
Powder Mt. 1 15.4 10
Fernie 2 53.9 19
Castle Mt. 2 48.8 3
Kicking Horse 2 40.5 0
Grands Montets, France 1 11.4 0
Vallee Blanche, France 1 9 2
Revelstoke 1 25 3
Mustang Powder Snowcat 3 43.4 38
Cervinia, Italy 2 40.9 17
Arctic Heliskiing, Iceland 1 28.1 0
*Pila, Italy 1 17.3 2
*Alpi di Suisi/Seceda, Italy 1 20.5 0
*Arabba/Marmolada, Italy 1.5 31.3 0
*Civetta/Falzarego, Italy 0.5 14.1 0
*Val Gardena, Italy 0.5 10.1 2
*Alta Badia, Italy 0.5 12.3 0
*Alagna/Gressoney, Italy 1.5 27.6 0
*Champuloc/Gressoney, Italy 0.5 15.2 0
*La Clusaz, France 1 19.9 2
*Val d'Isere, France 4.5 94.1 22
*Tignes, France 3.5 79.6 19
Totals 59 1254.5 171

The above is final including the 5 May ski days at Mammoth.
Liz had 55 days. She missed only the November Mammoth trip and 2 deep freeze days in Canada when I was fortunately in the snowcat at Mustang. She got in one day at Sun Peaks but the other two would have been in the -10 to -15F range.

Overall numbers are fairly typical of my retirement seasons. Day count is slightly below average but the 4 higher seasons included Southern Hemisphere trips or skiing deep into summer at Mammoth. The record amount of time in Europe substituted for western destination and Mammoth trips in other seasons.

This is the third season lifetime with zero days at the SoCal locals. It was a dreadful SoCal season, with even Big Bear never getting past half open, only the 3rd time that has happened since the snowmaking went high capacity in 1979. It wasn't a great season at Mammoth, but the mid-November dump above 9,500 feet made it worth going there during the early season months.

If you want a 100 day season, you need a lot of them at local drive-ups. Patrick is thus over 90 and should have a shot at 100 with 4 more streak months to go. Garry Klassen had 86 in 2004-05, a big year at Baldy. I am not holding my breath waiting for another season like that. The season before I retired was the last good one here. At any rate, as a retiree I'm more in the quality vs. quantity camp. We extended our scheduled time in Utah and Val d'Isere in 2018 based upon short notice powder predictions.

Vertical and powder are close to average for the retirement seasons. There were not huge vertical days like that Austrian week in 2017, just consistently above average most of the season. The powder was not so much bits and pieces but concentrated in a few very high quality days, notably at Cervinia, Fernie and two at Val d'Isere. Feb. 25 at Fernie and Apr. 13 at Val d'Isere rank #4 and #5 (debatable in which order) of my lifetime lift served powder days. Mustang and the end of Iron Blosam week were highlights also.

11 new areas is short of the record 13 in 2011-12 (Antarctica early in that season). I skied 12 new areas in 2006-07 (Canada, Alaska, Chile) and 2012-13 (mostly 2+ weeks in Austria/Switzerland). 25 total areas is typical of the retirement seasons.

jamesdeluxe wrote:As a mod, you can always update later and erase your tracks.

Anyone can modify/edit their own posts on FTO with no time limit AFAIK. This is not true for some other forums (two hours and one day are common limits), and I find that annoying. Only occasionally do I need to edit content, but I often want to correct typos.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby jamesdeluxe » Wed May 09, 2018 9:01 am

An impressive number of distinct regions skied by Tony: Sierras, Oregon, Utah, British Columbia/Alberta, Western Alps, Dolomites, Iceland.

Tony Crocker wrote:Anyone can modify/edit their own posts on FTO with no time limit AFAIK. This is not true for some other forums (two hours and one day are common limits), and I find that annoying.

Yes, good that you can always edit, less good when you edit after someone has replied and the bothersome "post edited at date/time" stamp appears. I understand the thinking back in the old days, but I think that's a feature you can get rid at this late point in forum culture.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed May 09, 2018 12:58 pm

Definition of regions is imprecise, but the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons had perhaps more regional diversity:
2013-14: SoCal, Sierras, Colorado, Utah, Interior Northwest, Interior BC/Alberta, Oregon, Alaska, Switzerland
2014-15: SoCal, Sierras, Colorado, Utah, Tetons, Interior Northwest, Interior BC/Alberta, Whistler, Iceland, Argentina
It is perhaps not coincidental that these (including 2017-18) were all subpar seasons in California. In most seasons I'm not leaving California after early April. 2017-18 tied 2010-11 for most ski days in April with 13. Overall single month record is 18 days in February 2014. There are 3 Marches and one January with 17 days.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby lono » Thu May 10, 2018 9:17 am

Maybe my best season ever.

100 Whitefish
14. Big Sky
4. Alta/Snowbird
4. Aspen/Snowmass/Highlands/Buttermilk
2. Jackson Hole
2 Blacktail
2. Revelstoke
2. Telluride
1. Discovery
1. Sun Valley
1. Sunshine
1. Lake Louis
1. Panorama
8. Big Mt and Flathead early November skinning.

Highlights include 65 local powder days. Skiing with Admin, Amy, Rdwore,and Bobby D. over and back and around Alta /Bird. And closing week pow and corn at Big Sky.
Maybe a few more days skinning in Glacier, and Beartooth Basin.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby EMSC » Thu May 10, 2018 10:02 am

That's an impressive season Lono. It beats my highest ever # of days in a season by 9 (as of today).

My season was decent, but not great. Not surprisingly, very similar to the snowfall in Colorado this year. Although getting Jr up to speed and in the ski team made many of my Eldora days much more fun.

Only 27 days total (although at less than $40/day for myself all-inclusive).

By Month
Dec 7
Jan 4
Feb 7
Mar 6
Apr 3

By Resort
Eldora 13
Copper 4
Winter Park 1
Greek Peak 2
Breckenridge 1
Ski Cooper 1
Bridger Bowl 3
Big Sky 2

Bridger Bowl and Big Sky being the two new-to-me resorts for the year.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby lono » Thu May 10, 2018 10:28 am

EMSC, as a childless old fart I'd trade all my ski days for some of the fun you've had with Junior! !!!
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu May 10, 2018 6:16 pm

Whitefish had another big year with 427 inches, so no surprise lono took advantage. Glacier NP is loaded with snow so summer road openings may be on the late side. Via skinning, lono is well placed for a cheap monthly ski streak without leaving home.

We got a taste of the bounty in that region at Fernie and Castle in February.

And yes, I think EMSC has turned the corner where the kid will be adding to the quantity and quality of ski days!
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby AlonzoB » Thu May 24, 2018 6:53 am

427 inches seems a lot. That's great. Has to be one of the record years, right Tony? Or am I thinking too small here lol.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:49 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:If you want a 100 day season, you need a lot of them at local drive-ups. Patrick is thus over 90 and should have a shot at 100 with 4 more streak months to go.


Okay, now that the Eastern regular Liftserved season finished last Sunday, here are my current numbers:

So far, 95 (85 days/11 nights)*

By Month
Oct 1
Nov 7
Dec 12
Jan 19
Feb 18
Mar 19
Apr 14
May 5

I broke it down by distance for Tony as the definition of "local" can vary. Over 50% of my ski days have been within 25 miles from home.

By Resort
Under 25miles/40km - 54* (44d + 10*n)
Edelweiss QC 49*
Fortune QC 3
Cascades QC 1
Vorlage QC 1

Between 60miles to 110miles/94km to 175km - 22* (21d* + 1n)
St-Sauveur QC 8
Calabogie Peaks ON 6
Ste-Marie QC 5*
Tremblant QC 2
Titus NY 1

Over 150miles/250km - 16
Sunday River ME 4
Whiteface NY 2
Smugglers' VT 2
Burke VT 1
Bolton VT 1
Mad River Glen VT 1
Middlebury VT 1
Killington VT 1
Cannon NH 1
Wildcat NH 1
Sugarloaf ME 1

Over 1800mi/2900km - 4
Arapahoe Basin CO 2
Loveland CO 2

* Count as 1 day: Skied one full day at Ste-Marie then drove back for one evening at Edelweiss

Detail ski log: https://madpatski.wordpress.com/ski-days/2017-18/
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:32 pm

AlonzoB wrote:427 inches seems a lot. That's great. Has to be one of the record years, right Tony? Or am I thinking too small here lol.

440 at Whitefish in 2016-17 and 425 in 2010-11. The real issue with Whitefish is that there are no complete November-April datasets before 2000. Based upon other Northern Rockies and interior Northwest areas, it's highly likely Whitefish had as much or more snow in 1998-99, 1996-97, and/or quite a few seasons in the early 1970's.

In past seasons I've made comments about Patrick's "molehills", which might be crudely defined might be under 1,000 vertical. That looks to me like 68 days on that list.

But this is an apples and oranges discussion relative to most skiers' day count. Patrick works as an instructor/race coach. I'm sure most of those "molehill" days were part of his job.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Patrick » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:56 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:In past seasons I've made comments about Patrick's "molehills", which might be crudely defined might be under 1,000 vertical. That looks to me like 68 days on that list.


Exactly 68 days on hills below 1,000 vertical.

Tony Crocker wrote:But this is an apples and oranges discussion relative to most skiers' day count. Patrick works as an instructor/race coach. I'm sure most of those "molehill" days were part of his job.


Below 1,000ft = Hill were I coach/pass = 68 days versus 1 bought ticket at Fortune in late April.
Above 1,000ft = Coaching duties = 8 days versus 20 comp and bought tickets.
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Re: 2017-18 Season Recap

Postby Marc_C » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:14 am

Alta 27
Snowbird 2
Brighton 1
Solitude 1
Deer Valley 2
Snowbasin 3

Total: 36
By month - who knows
Total vert: ??? It's in my ski tracking app if I cared enough to look up the days....
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