Mont Ste-Anne, QC - November 25, 2007

Patrick

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Sometimes you have to make the most of it.

Impossible to make it out last weekend for the big snow event due prior commitments. :cry:

This weekend...Thanksgiving Holiday, Thaw and/or rain in most regions. :roll: However sometimes you have to look a the bright side of life. No thaw or rain, only snow North of the St.Lawrence River Valley (ie. Outaouais, Laurentians and Quebec City). The first two regions had ski areas offering extremely limited runs open, with the exception of Tremblant which had a trail count of 9 and 3 lifts. :shock:

We also had to go to Montreal for my daughters ski equipment, so the options were...

Tremblant: Why go here when I can do this on Ottawa day trips + possible crowds issues on the runs.

South of the Border: Crowds and possible thaw cycle conditions.

Others: very limited runs.

Ste-Anne: besides the long drive, I could only see positives. Ste-Anne was mentioning 19 runs open + less roadkill factor when skiing with Morgane, my oldest daughter.

Mont Ste-Anne it was going to be. 8) Light snow falling when we left Montreal, snow was more important as we got closer to Quebec City and Ste-Anne. It took us about 3 hours to drive the 300km from Montreal.

Our first fresh tracks of the season were in the parking lot with over one hundreds cars. We had gotten up at 5ish am, so Morgane was hungry and we ended eating an early lunch at 10ish while we got ready. Once this was done, got the tickets (geez, that 5th ski passport where kids ski free is great) \:D/

Kids ski free discussion

South side of the mountain was all white as this looked much more like January than November, unfortunately nothing was open on this side except the beginner t-bar at the base. This "nothing" open didn't stop a few getting fresh tracks. The temps at the bottom as 0c and snow falling. As we rode the gondola to the summit in order to access the "basically" all open North side, I was surprise to actual some nice fresh tracks on the double diamond steep La Gondoleuse run under the lift. Once we got at the top, it was windy and snow was flying in your face. Visibility wasn't great, but that generally the case when it's snowing. :P

First turns in November were on some powder/packed powder conditions. No edges needed to ski this base, not what I was expecting a few days ago. Once at the bottom, another shock :shock: ...the crowds with the HSQ. That first wait after that first run lasted 20 minutes (not exaggerating, look at the log). I was suppose to meet Wolverine at 11:30, well that lineup screwed up the timing. :oops: We made a quick run under the lift, the high traffic narrow top part was slightly hard pack, but it was a very small patch. There were even some mini moguls forming on skier-right. Anyways, finally meet Wolverine at the bottom of the North side a few minutes late and processed for a long, but not as long wait. She was telling me that MSA was really the only options for Quebec City on this weekend, because only Le Relais had open a run or two. Stoneham (RCR ownership also), Massif du Sud and Le Massif were still all closed. And of course, there were people like me from Montreal or further that probably knew that MSA would be one of the best place to ski in the East on this weekend.

The next run was toward the Westside, however it was a 2km trek back to the lift on a fairly flat trail when the Westside T-bar is closed. As everyone in skiland, when there is a pushing factor, you lose over 95% of the skiing public. Run was powder, but also windblown. Morgane did the trek back by pushing in the untracked snow instead of following the tracks. She really enjoyed it. The t-bar next to the HSQ was also running and there was virtually no lineup, so we headed for it. Well after a long stop in the middle of our ride up, Morgane slid sideways and feel close to the top. Needless to say, that I got a few good powder turns before reaching the trail. Last run before lunch break was down Sidney-Dawes glade while Wolverine got a sandwich at the top restaurant. We all meet at the bottom North side Sugarshack type lodge in which the cafeteria wasn't open for a small lunch break then processed for another long wait at the HSQ.

Morgane really enjoyed that glade run, so we did La Forêt Enchantée (twice) and Sidney-Dawes again. The coverage was getting a bit thin at the bottom of the run, but these natural runs were probably very popular with the snow received during the week. The next to last run we did was La Bélanger which, Wolverine told us, the patrol had drop the rope. Nice fresh turns with a few Snowmaking whales in the middle.

As we rode up the Northside Quad for the last run, we were sad that the day as already over (it's true that a 3:30pm is early, but it gets dark pretty fast this time of year). We were planning one last long run on the South side to end the day, but unfortunately the patrol had something else in mind. Everything was roped off with two patrols making sure no one skied down and made sure that the only way down was via a the download with the Gondola. :( How unfortunate. :roll:

We were able to ski from the base of the Gondola all the way to the car without any damage. Now why was MSA running the area with a bare minimum? :roll:

Unfortunate also that Morgane didn't get to enjoy the great scenery of the St.Lawrence River from the top of the mountain, however I made a small detour (actually, the route was more direct) and drove into Old Quebec City. She really enjoyed that too.

All in all, it was a great day of skiing. My daughter was saying that Wolverine was lucky to live in Quebec City, so close to Mt Ste-Anne. MSA is now her second favorite area and she didn't see the Southside yet.

Day by numbers:
$0 - price paid for Morgane liftticket.
1 - time skied with Wolverine.
9 - numbers of runs.
12:00am - Time we got back in Ottawa.
$17CDN - Money paid Wolverine for Ski Journal after she found it for me.
$35CDN - my liftticket price after a 25% discount coupon.
100 - Morgane lifetime ski days.
301 - kilometers from my mom's house to MSA lot in morning (187miles).
595 - kilometers travel from MTL to MSA (different route into old Quebec and autoroute 20). (370 miles)
795 - total kilometers driven on Sunday. (494 miles)
3073 - total descent skied in meters (10,082ft).
 

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Here is some extra relevent information mentioned by Wolverine in another discussion.

wolverine":p6kjj4n7 said:
Sunday Nov 25 at MSA.
4 inches of fresh this morning
No rain or freezing rain until now.
Around 28F.
Perfect day for skiing as it was Yesterday and Friday (10 inches for Friday morning).
Only North Face open: about 18 trails.
Vertical drop: 1000'
One fast quad (and a T-bar for WE).

Today Patrick was skiing and he was smilin'.
2 woods open: Dawes and Esmerald Forest. Great fun.
So he will surely make some post soon (going back tonight to Ottawa).
Open daily.
Some trails will open soon on South Face (La Pichard of course).
 
Thanks for the updates.

Anyone know if snow is in the forecast through the weekend?

I have not cancelled Utah yet ( 12/15) but that is my thinking and then we drive to MSA and Massif for a few days prior to X-Mass.

Plenty of cold weather here in New Hampshire
 
i'd consider cancelling utah for 12/15. if the wasatch got 100 inches by then, which is certainly possible, i'd maybe go but, i wouldn't count on it. utah's tough for planning trips, snows for a few weeks then nothing for a few weeks, etc.... when i worked at alta in 95/96, we had no snow till january. it then snowed 11 feet in 5 days and another 11 feet for a 22 foot month-game on. if alta dosen't have at least an 80 inch base, there are other places i'd much rather ski in BCC, well i'd rather ski over there anyway but, i won't get started on that one. stay here while we're in a good pattern cuz you never know when the tide may turn.

just my thoughts
rog
 
oldefarms":1lx2c6wj said:
Thanks for the updates.

Anyone know if snow is in the forecast through the weekend?

Just checked that out for you. Cold and snow. An extra 10cm at mid-mountain forecast until Friday (close to bottom of North side).

http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Mo ... e/3day/mid

If you look at the conditions from their website (as of Nov 28 ). Snow received in last 48h was 6" (19" in the last 7 days). All runs on the North side are open, all of West side would probably open if t-bar was running. They are making snow on 2 separate runs (top-to-bottom) down on the South side. Everything looks good on the conditions stand point.

Current snow conditions from MSA website.

Ste-Anne has always been a sure (or not as bad) place when conditions are iffy in the East. At least, that is my experience.

The only negative note (however I might be blowing this out of proportion), is management seem to be cutting cost and not providing the service it could (ie. lift, runs, facilities). MSA is part of the RCR empire, so I'm not sure what happening there? I just know what I heard from a few people.

oldefarms":1lx2c6wj said:
I have not cancelled Utah yet ( 12/15) but that is my thinking and then we drive to MSA and Massif for a few days prior to X-Mass.

You might have seen what I said on October 26th in the "New Year family ski trip destination recommendations?" discussion or others over the years?

Patrick":1lx2c6wj said:
This early in the game, I would put my money on Ste.Anne / LeMassif.

You might not find the best conditions in the East prior to Christmas if it's really good elsewhere, but conditions are safer than New England for that time of year (late season also). So if it's sucks elsewhere, odds are that it going to suck less in MSA.

oldefarms":1lx2c6wj said:
Plenty of cold weather here in New Hampshire
Not only in New Hampshire. :wink:

EDIT: You might not find the best conditions in the East prior to Christmas if it's really good elsewhere...
 

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The only time I ever skied Alta at Christmas (1986), it was the driest December (15 inches) in their history. The reported base was 47 inches (95 inches fell in November 1986) and the 80% or so of terrain open skied pretty well. Most of the steeps off Supreme weren't skiable, plus a few thing off he High Traverse. Brighton was also OK on that trip, but the rest of Utah was rock city.

Based on where Utah is now, I think Alta and Brighton are probably about 50/50 to be as good as what I skied in 1986 by 12/15. For the other Utah areas, the odds favor waiting until January.

Thanks to yesterday's storm, this will only be the second driest November in Alta's history. The driest November (13.5 inches in 1976) was followed up by the second driest December (17 inches). That should give you an idea of how extreme 1976-77 was.
 
Here are some pics from that famous WROD day. :-"

Morgane in the parking lot (South side). Doesn't look like November, does it?

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Exiting the glades on the North side. Definitely not artificial snow.

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Entering In the glades again...if I remember correctly, there was even some powder to be found on that day.

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Bottom of the North side. No WROD here. O:)

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Rustic North side Chalet, the only chalet on this side of the summit.

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As we rode up the Northside Quad for the last run, we were sad that the day as already over (it's true that a 3:30pm is early, but it gets dark pretty fast this time of year). We were planning one last long run on the South side to end the day, but unfortunately the patrol had something else in mind. Everything was roped off with two patrols making sure no one skied down and made sure that the only way down was via a the download with the Gondola. :( How unfortunate. :roll:

This was taken at the bottom once Morgane exited. She looks like she had fun today. :D

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Nice conditions, but if the entire south side was closed that's quite a haul from Ottawa for not too much terrain. I do not make the similar length drive L.A. to Mammoth under those circumstances. But for someone keeping a streak going, it's a lot better than usual for November.
 
Tony Crocker":2h4jkl32 said:
Nice conditions, but if the entire south side was closed that's quite a haul from Ottawa for not too much terrain.

From Ottawa probably, but I had stuff to deal with in MTL that weekend, so I only consider it as a day drive from Montreal. This is no different that many days down to New England late in the Spring after I moved to Ottawa. There wasn't a streak in play in those years. If the streak would had been my only motivation, I might as well ski 20km from my home in Ottawa, but I decided to go for the best option available.

Tony Crocker":2h4jkl32 said:
But for someone keeping a streak going, it's a lot better than usual for November.

The only sucky November in the streak so far has been month #2 at Camp Fortune back in 05.
 
Wasn't this November Ottawa local WROD too? I know you earned fresh turns at Le Massif for October though.
 
Tony Crocker":paeebhue said:
Wasn't this November Ottawa local WROD too?

Oh Yeah, I didn't write a TR for it. Don't think I had a camera either? :-k I didn't ski local this year until December 22nd, but it was a molehill (up to 70%/run (based on Datalog) powder on a short day on a short hill). I'll try to write something at some point. :roll:
 
Morgane is beautiful! Love that pic out of the Gondola! Congratulations!

Tks for that report, just read it. Cheers!
 
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