Oz/NZ 2025

But that assumes the southern trip is in addition to rather than instead of quality ski destinations during the northern winter. :smileyvault-stirthepot:
Some destinations I’d like to travel and ski in our Winter wouldn’t necessarily be renowned for its great skiing, places like Greece, Morocco, Spain, Scotland, Lebanon, Iran, Georgia, ;)
 
Another thing that would drive you crazy about choices is that I would probably go Queenstown and ski again during the total solar eclipse. :P
 
The more time I’m away from this summer heat weather in most of North America and continental Europe, the better. The high temperature I had in Scandinavia was between 10-15c with quite a bit of rain. Couldn’t have been happier, especially when I used my Frankfort for a quick visit. It was freaking 36c on June 14.


See what I wrote above.
Trips with flights in the last 10 years, plus I have never been or what no desire to go to tropics. Closest I’ve been is Miami (lat. 26-27) after the school year in late June 1978, my only time in Florida.
2015 : France with fam (3wks) then Alps in Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Slovenia and a bit of Italy and coastal Croatia with oldest (3wks)
2016 : Yukon (2wks), NZ (3wks)
2017 : Banff (2w), California (2w), Iceland (2w), Oregon (2w)
2018 : Ireland (2w), Australia (2w)
2019 : California (2w), France (3w), PNW (2w)
2020 : no flying, Canada only
2021 : Alta/BC (3-4w)
2022 : California (2w), Australia (3w)
2023 : Alta-BC (4w), California (3w) - injury messed up summer plans.
2024 : Oregon (2w), Europe (5-6w)
2025 : Scandinavia (3w)… NZ?

I would love to that old Swix sticker that a friend had in the early 80s, Summer Sticks, Think Snow. I would take -30c over +30c anytime.
Oh for sure. I regularly vocal about my dislike of heat and humidity. I live in Australia but have not ever been and will not ever go to South East Asia for that very reason.
 
Another thing that would drive you crazy about choices is that I would probably go Queenstown and ski again during the total solar eclipse. :P
Been there and done that on the Paul Gauguin cruise in 2019. Meh. That's why I'm fairly sure MarcC was clouded out in Maine (most people were) as a kid in July 1963. It might be more interesting to be on skis when it gets dark for 2-3 minutes that just standing around somewhere. But since Patrick experienced the real thing at Sugarloaf in 2024, he will not be impressed by a clouded out eclipse.
 
Oh for sure. I regularly vocal about my dislike of heat and humidity. I live in Australia but have not ever been and will not ever go to South East Asia for that very reason.
Both of you would have loved my recent 10 days in the Yucatan.:icon-evil:
 
Both of you would have loved my recent 10 days in the Yucatan.:icon-evil:
I didn't know where that place was. I just searched it. Even just looking at the map it looks uncomfortable to me. Far to close to the imaginary line that goes round the middle of the globe.
You were diving?
 
The virtue of rolling the dice for a Southern Hemisphere destination is that there's no FOMO of better skiing at home. But that assumes the southern trip is in addition to rather than instead of quality ski destinations during the northern winter.
Is there any topic on this forum in which both sides refuse a détente more than Patrick's winter/summer choices?
 
There’s a chance of snow flurries in Queensland tomorrow. Stanthorpe might get a bit. A nice novelty event for the locals.
 
Stanthorpe is at 811 meters elevation and holds the record for coldest temperature -10.6C ever recorded in Queensland. Still, it's squarely in the summer wet/winter dry latitude range so snow would be exceedingly rare.
 
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Stanthorpe is at 811 meters elevation and holds the record for coldest temperature -10.6C ever recorded in Queensland. Still, it's squarely in the summer wet/winter dry latitude range so snow would be exceedingly rare.
It happens a couple of times a decade. So yes, no a regular occurrence.
 
I might have mentioned this before, but on my first trip to Oz I landed at Sydney July 13, 1997 and drove into the Blue Mountains. Driving over them to Jenolan Cave the drizzle turned to snow and nearly all of the local Aussies we passed had stopped their cars to play in it. I now read that two days before was the only time anyone saw it snow on Uluru.
 
Stanthorpe is at 811 meters elevation and holds the record for coldest temperature -10.6C ever recorded in Queensland. Still, it's squarely in the summer wet/winter dry latitude range so snow would be exceedingly rare.
-23c. :P

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Remember people freaking out once we got out of the bus at Hotham in 2018 and it was a warm -11c.
At high altitude that's fairly ideal. In the Northeast with high humidity, perhaps a bit less, especially if there is any wind. I can't say whether Australia ski areas have low or high humidity. But I'm inclined to agree with Patrick. Aussies don't see -11C very often. Sbooker is better placed to comment here. Yours truly, also growing up in a warm climate, adjusted OK to -10C when I started skiing but by -15C I'd have problems. Once my annual Canadian trips started in 1997 I had to figure out what clothing was needed when.
 
At high altitude that's fairly ideal. In the Northeast with high humidity, perhaps a bit less, especially if there is any wind. I can't say whether Australia ski areas have low or high humidity. But I'm inclined to agree with Patrick. Aussies don't see -11C very often. Sbooker is better placed to comment here. Yours truly, also growing up in a warm climate, adjusted OK to -10C when I started skiing but by -15C I'd have problems. Once my annual Canadian trips started in 1997 I had to figure out what clothing was needed when.
The Oz ski hills have mild temps but often fairly high humidity.
I personally don’t find adjustment to proper cold to be difficult. I run warm so often sweat if working hard even if temps are below freezing. Kylie and the kids adjust ok too but they get cold extremities.
We’ve experienced minus 25c at Lake Louise and Sunshine and that was a bit testing. We went in for regular coffee breaks. We find standing in a lift line in the shade can be a little uncomfortable if it’s less than minus 10c.

I remember we went from minus 20 to plus 35c within 20 hours one January when we flew out of Calgary to come home.
 
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