Google Maps' Ski-Area Overlay is Gone

jamesdeluxe

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A very useful aspect of Google Maps over the years was the overlay of ski areas' lifts and trails like this one for Aletsch Arena in Switzerland:
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I believe that they stopped adding new ones a long time ago; however, that feature seems to have been completely removed since last winter. Here's a recent thread on Google Maps Help where people are bemoaning this development. Luckily, openskimaps.org has that functionality. Below is a screenshot of Loveland, A-Basin, and Keystone:
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Upsides to Open Ski Maps compared to Google Maps:
  • Virtually all lift-served ski areas appear to be plotted, even some of the tiniest molehills.
  • In addition to the lifts, if you zoom in, all trail names are noted (at least in North America).
  • For most of the ski areas, there is a link to its trail map (at least in North America, not always the case in Europe).
  • You can filter searches according to downhill vs. nordic, vertical drop, and elevation.

Downsides
  • You can't measure distances -- helpful to determine how many miles across the footprint of a ski circuit is or how far a restaurant, hotel, or other in-town infrastructure is from a point on the ski map.
  • You can't determine how to walk or drive from one location to, for example, the bottom of a lift.

Any other thoughts?
 
Never used it before. Could be interesting, but I see a couple more downsides:

Downsides
  • Only metric based measurements as far as I can tell. Not going to get much US folks to use something that can't convert and display imperial units IMO.
  • No "3D" satellite views. One nice feature of Google maps is the ability to view the landscape at an angle and rotate from different compass directions to get a better sense of the terrain. Obviously Google Earth being the best tool out there for that type of use case.
Definitely missing at least some nordic skiing. Greek Peak's nordic trails by hope lake are missing for example (I only checked a couple spots that I know super well as a test).
 
I may have mentioned before the independent supercharge.info website displaying location, history and detail of Tesla superchargers. Skilifts are displayed, even for obscure places and topography is color coded. Sella Ronda example here:
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Zoom in more and all of those brown triangles will display peak names. The Falzarego and Cinque Torii lifts are at far right and their names are also displayed in closer zoom. I do not know what this underlying map software is, but I have occasionally seen it other places besides supercharge.info.
 
We lost two great resources this year:
  • Fatmaps - Overlays, 3D, Backcountry Ski Routes/Off-piste, Photos
  • Google - Overlays
Strava's implementation of Fatmaps is pretty bad. It's all based on community racing and how fast you get from point A to B.

Look at this crap - the tail map gets overlayed with whoever is recording their tacks. So it's becoming a mess!

Example of The Plunge at Telluride: Who cares who skied The Plunge the fastest?



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So the Strava Tail Map overlays get messy with everyone's recordings, rendering them unusable.

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Example of The Plunge at Telluride: Who cares who skied The Plunge the fastest?
C'mon the guy skied the fastest with only a 87 heart rate! Totally realistic!

Good news for me was I didn't use Fatmap. But a huge and obvious Fail on Strava's part. They didn't even understand what they bought or the users of it. I'd bet within a few months literally all of the Fatmap users will be long gone and Strava will be scratching their heads as to why; based on what you are showing above.
 
An MBA classmate of mine is VP of Product at Strava in SF. I want to meet him for drinks and discuss what he is doing. If it's interesting, I'd run an original version of FATMAP to make it into a Skier Community.

But he's also a Triathlete and sees sports only through the lens of running, biking, and swimming - and how fast you can do it! It's a bit myopic. He's kinda intense and accomplished.

Anyways, here's a Powder Article on RIP Fatmap.


Strava Turned Off Fatmap - What That Means For Skiers​

On October 1st, 2024, Strava discontinued the FATMAP 3D mountain mapping and navigation app.

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Early last year, you might have noticed that FATMAP, the powerful 3D mapping software and digital guidebook platform, was bought by fitness tracking behemoth Strava. Love it or hate it, the move was made to combine two very similar platforms that did different things into a one-stop-shop for all your fitness and outdoor activity tracking needs. Since its initial release, I had been a huge fan of FATMAP for backcountry skiing navigation since it offered quite a few features that competitors like OnX, Google Earth, Gaia GPS or Caltopo didn’t, not to mention the user experience was something I just enjoyed.
 
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Checking in 1.5 years later -- on Open Ski Map, I'm still not able to measure how wide ski areas are as the crow flies (my favorite functionality of Google Maps). Can anyone else figure out how to do it or should I give up?

As mentioned in my report, the widest one that I've skied is Hochkönig, south of Salzburg, at approx. 11 miles. I don't recall if we ever officially determined which was the widest in the Alps.
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Using a combination of Google Maps and Open Ski Map, it appears that the widest one in North America would be Park City at approx. 8.5 miles if the ski areas of Park City (which includes the artist formerly known as The Canyons) and Deer Valley were interconnected. For better or worse, the consensus per this thread is: that will not happen in our lifetime.
 
Using a combination of Google Maps and Open Ski Map, it appears that the widest one in North America would be Park City at approx. 8.5 miles if the ski areas of Park City (which includes the artist formerly known as The Canyons) and Deer Valley were interconnected. For better or worse, the consensus per this thread is: that will not happen in our lifetime.

Too many issues in Utah: Non-snowboarding resorts (Deer Valley, Alta), Multi-corporate ownership (Vail, Alterra, Boyne), Save Our Canyons, Deer Valley's skier caps and supposed exclusivity, ParkCity locals veto-ing every lift project, revenue sharing agreements, RFID lift systems not in place everywhere....it's just a mess of competing interests.

The tours are very expensive too! https://www.skiutah.com/explore/the-interconnect-tour/

Open Tour
$575 plus tax
The rate is per person
Open Tours operate as group travel; varying ability levels may be present
Maximum group size is 8
The tour route is chosen by the initiating reservation (Deer Valley or Snowbird departing tour)
Open Tours require a minimum of 2 reservations to operate
 
Too many issues in Utah: Non-snowboarding resorts (Deer Valley, Alta), Multi-corporate ownership (Vail, Alterra, Boyne), Save Our Canyons, Deer Valley's skier caps and supposed exclusivity, ParkCity locals veto-ing every lift project, revenue sharing agreements, RFID lift systems not in place everywhere....it's just a mess of competing interests.
I thought @jamesdeluxe was thinking about just connecting DV with Park City.

What to you mean by RFID for lift access "not in place everywhere"? Took a long while for DV to install RFID but that did get done. Brighton added RFID in 2013, Snowbird in 2015, and DV in 2019. Pretty sure all the SLC resorts are using Axess except Park City.
 
It appears that the widest one in North America would be Park City at approx. 8.5 miles if the ski areas of Park City (which includes the artist formerly known as The Canyons) and Deer Valley were interconnected. For better or worse, the consensus per this thread is: that will not happen in our lifetime.
I thought @jamesdeluxe was thinking about just connecting DV with Park City.
My mistake. I mixed messages in my post:
  • Connecting Park City and DV
  • Connecting the Wasatch backside and frontside

Too many issues in Utah (...) it's just a mess of competing interests
Agreed as seen from my armchair.
 
I thought @jamesdeluxe was thinking about just connecting DV with Park City.

He also links to a Wasatch Interconnect thread.

However, DV and Park City are perhaps less likely to connect due to Deer Valley's marketed, and perceived elite, crème de la crème ski experience (get over yourself, Deer Valley; it's not like you're the Yellowstone Club). Lech/Zermatt/Courchevel/Verbier are all luxury resorts within larger ski complexes; however, Americans appreciate that they can purchase exclusivity and status.

The idea of connecting ski resorts in the Wasatch Mountains has been floating around informally for decades. As early as 1982, leaders in the Utah ski industry began discussing a “Ski Interconnect” that would link Park City with resorts such as Brighton, Solitude, Alta, and Snowbird.

Obviously, some progress has been made:
  • Alta is connected with Snowbird.
  • Solitude is connected with Brighton.
  • Park City is connected to The Canyons. It is also connected to/shares a boundary with Deer Valley.
I have purchased all these tickets in the past: the Altabird pass, SolBright pass, and Deer Valley pass - plus ducking the boundary to ski a few laps on Park City's McConkeys lift, since there was/is no ticket checking. This does not work in reverse.

What to you mean by RFID for lift access "not in place everywhere"? Took a long while for DV to install RFID but that did get done. Brighton added RFID in 2013, Snowbird in 2015, and DV in 2019. Pretty sure all the SLC resorts are using Axess except Park City.

RFID? You will need a standard system on every single lift in the Utah Wasatch: LCC, BCC, ParK City/Parley's Canyon, to support revenue sharing between partner resorts, and a software system allowing for the Utah Interconnect to track lift usage by individual skier per day, and what 'rights' they have to individual lift usage. This would be an undertaking.

But look at the European model. I will use the Arlberg as an example:

Main Lift Companies in the Arlberg

Here are the key operators (note: there are even smaller ones):
  • Ski Zürs AG – runs most of the lifts in Zürs.
  • Bergbahn Lech–Oberlech – operates the lifts in Lech and the Oberlech area.
  • Bergbahnen Oberlech (smaller subsidiary company, sometimes grouped with Lech).
  • Bergbahn Stuben – responsible for lifts in the Stuben area.
  • Galzigbahn AG / Arlberger Bergbahnen AG – based in St. Anton, Nasserein, Galzig, and Valluga; the biggest operator in the region.
  • Rüfikopf Seilbahn AG – historically separate from the Rüfikopfbahn in Lech (now closely tied into Ski Arlberg operations).

How They Work Together

  • These companies are independent businesses but collaborate under the Ski Arlberg lift pass system.
  • Since the 2016 Flexenbahn link, the entire Arlberg has been fully interconnected, making it Austria’s largest connected ski area.
  • Collectively, they operate over 85 lifts and cover 305 km of pistes, plus extensive freeride terrain.

The Arlberg works because independent lift companies agreed decades ago to form a cooperative ticket/pass system and eventually invested in the infrastructure to make it physically seamless. The Wasatch, by contrast, faces ownership fragmentation, regulatory hurdles, environmental opposition, and brand conflicts — so while the vision exists, the execution will never materialize beyond tours. It's a pipe dream and will not happen within any of our lifetimes.

Wasatch Interconnect (Utah) problems:

Structure of Lift Companies
  • Resorts are owned by different corporate entities: Vail Resorts (Park City/Canyons), Alterra (Deer Valley), Powdr Corp. (Snowbird—minority stake), plus private entities (Alta, Solitude, Brighton).
  • No overarching cooperative structure exists. Each company has its own ticketing, branding, and strategy.
  • An interconnect would require brand-new agreements on revenue sharing, liability, skier policies (e.g., Alta banning snowboarders), and capital cost-sharing.
Water & Environmental Constraints
  • Salt Lake’s Little Cottonwood and Big Cottonwood Canyons are protected municipal watersheds. By law, no new ski connections can cross specific drainages, and land management agencies (Forest Service, Salt Lake City Public Utilities) tightly control expansion.
  • Utah’s population includes strong environmental advocacy groups opposing canyon overdevelopment, as well as local skiers who fear European-style mega-resorts will overwhelm already congested canyons.
Geogaphy
  • Steep canyons above a major metro (Salt Lake City). Fragmented valleys separated by protected watersheds and private land. Any interconnection requires big engineering projects (tunnels, trams, gondolas).
Band Identity
  • There is no desire for the various owners to create an overarching brand for the Wasatch Interconnect.
  • In the Wasatch, you have competing corporate players:
    • Vail Resorts (Park City/Canyons)
    • Alterra (Deer Valley, Solitude)
    • POWDR Corp (Snowbird minority, Woodward)
    • Private Snowbird ownership
    • Alta (independent, skier-only, resistant to gondola links)
      Each has a different business model and little incentive to cooperate at the scale required for an actual interconnect.

The Arlberg works because independent lift companies agreed decades ago to form a cooperative ticket/pass system and eventually invested in the infrastructure to make it physically seamless. The Wasatch, by contrast, faces ownership fragmentation, regulatory hurdles, environmental opposition, and brand conflicts — so while the vision exists, the execution will never materialize beyond tours.
 
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