Jay Peak, VT: 12/29/07

riverc0il

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Greetings holiday skiers. Welcome to the party (many weeks to late).

Rolling out of bed 30 minutes after the first alarm went off did not bod well for today especially considering the condition I-93 was in. Snow started last night but rain took over. My 30 minute delay put me into the very front range of I-93 day trippers. A SUV was in a ditch at the Plymouth exit as I merged into the highway. Oh boy, this is going to be a fun commute. Roads were nearly clear as per usual on the other side of the notch and mostly clear on I-91 :roll: 3 hours later rather than the standard 2 hours later, I arrived at Stateside and was on the lift by 9:30 :roll: Sometimes... this NH thing gets a little old... but only on days like today when every minute counts.

I quickly hit the Jet and instantly found lots of untracked 2-4". Jay is reporting 4-6" :bs: We all know Jay pads a few "Jay inches" onto their reports on occasion, but I didn't find more than 4" any where. 48 hours lists 10" no freaking way.

I was surprised, honestly, to find any fresh untracked being an hour late to the lifts on a holiday weekend, but I managed to rack them up in a bunch of runs before 11am when things got busy. The powder was a dense and consolidated variety that was a little on the wet side but still powdery at high elevations early in the morning. Things were pretty well played out by 11am when the crowds showed up but lines were rather respectable, all things considered.

Weather was interesting. It never rained but we did get snow, hail, sleet, etc. off and on with a touch of wind in between precip sessions. I almost decided to shed my parka for a soft shell around 10am-ish.

After lunch, much to my dismay, all lower elevation snow was wet and starting to firm up. The gig was up. Some consolidated wet untracked could still be found after noon time, but dealing with the holiday crowd just wasn't worth the effort and snow at lower elevations was to wet/firm for my liking. It is just amazing how different the crowd was today, really blew my mind. Lots of attitude in the lodge. Lots of lift "stop n' gos n' slows" due to the inexperienced holiday crowd. Got what I was looking for this morning, so worth the trip if only for four hours of skiing. Since I never skied more than 4" of pow *eh ehm* it was definitely not making my powder day list for the season but still a surprise this morning all things considered.

Overall summary is Northern Vermont just dodged a bullet and early birds got to scrape off some frosting.
 
nice report and trustworthy. i'm lining up my tues-thurs now and of course won't make final decision till last second. prob one day on the rock and two resort days.
rog
 
Unfortunately, I am limited for days off this month due to the nature of the business, but I will get New Year's day. Looks like Wednesday might be the one this week? Shucks darn, last month I had scheduled an on boarding session with new employees that day, no bail out option possible. :cry: Probably staying home tomorrow though, not worth the drive to Jay nor is anything local looking promising with the rain/thaw/freeze in full effect. C'mon, Tuesday!
 
Things were much better early today. Got up there for first few chairs. Skied until noon. Snow was really wet by mid morning. Yesterday was much better. It is still December, last year we were complaining about 50% open. Still have 4+ hopefully great months to go. Todays snow as a good workout for the rest of the season and great for base building.
 
I can relate to a couple of issues Riverc0il brings up.

One is the "holiday bozo quotient." In addition to crowds being larger, they are disproportionately composed of less capable and knowledgeable skiers and riders. There can be some advantage, as for example Mammoth's upper lifts are not too crowded while those near the base lodges are a madhouse. Also fitting this impression is admin's comment that the Cottonwood resorts were OK while the Park City areas are a zoo.

Nonetheless considering traffic, parking and other logistical issues it can still be a PITA to ski Christmas week. And if you have to throw in holiday air travel and lodging prices that tips the balance against it as far as I am concerned.

The other issue is the additional hour in Riverc0il's daytrip commutes. Big Bear at 2+ hours one way is nearly always a lengthy expedition often like today with dinner up there to let the traffic clear, arriving home 9PM or so, after getting up before 6AM. Despite Baldy's much more rigorous skiing, the one hour commute does get me home before dinner (or by the second quarter of the Super Bowl) and I'm not so tired.

I think this may impact Riverc0il even more, because with Vermont's greater consistency he's going to want to ski both days of the weekend sometimes, and that's going to be more grueling yet at his new distance. So he might compromise quality more often (like Patrick) for an easier commute.
 
Tony, you forget I used to drive to Cannon on both Saturday and Sunday when I lived in Massachusetts. I have dedicated weekend warrior blood in my veins already, I am just driving two hours each way to a superior mountain destination ;) Though having lived within an hour... it is harder. Though I do not really see myself compromising on the quality. The reason I got my pass at Jay Peak is powder and trees. If I do not find the powder and tree skiing at Jay worth while, then I likely will break up the weekend and only do one day at Jay... but that will only be the case when conditions are sub-par. Such as today on which I did not feel any skiing was worth while, especially considering holiday crowds. Out of nine days at Jay Peak this season, four of those days happened as two per weekend, when the snow was good all weekend long. Probably won't be seeing many Jay trips from me in January after this week though with the predicted warm up. Then again, I may be up there more frequently if Jay retains tree skiing while everyone else melts out.

Speaking of which, one thought I did have when entering the lodge was (on the positive side of things) thank goodness all these holiday skiers subsidize my ski season. Can not even imagine what skiing would cost without the holiday skiing crowd maxing out bed base and paying top dollar.
 
no skiing worthwhile riv? get on some rugged touring skis and get your groove on! the skiing on the seacoast has been all time! yesterday my girlie and i enjoyed some fine corn on a foot deep glacial base at stratham hill park. ski up, cut some turns through open trees and steeply slanted fields laughing and screaming with joy at how great it is to not have to deal with skins and heavy equipment and especially not a soul to share it with. this morning was no different and with up to 4-8 tomorrow and another 4-8 tues-game on. i'm sure we'll be on bigger equip for tues-thurs depending on where it tracks.
what a winter!
rog
 
Just wanted to add that tree damage at upper elevation while not excessive was certainly noticeable. Ice build up from early December combined with heavy snowfall and winds took a number of trees down. Generally, lines were not effected for the most part. Lots of bent trunks. Here is a sample from Kitz Woods of a group of trees that were knocked over. Quite mature and well developed trees too. Sometimes I fear for our glades in Northern Vermont and would like to see more restoration programs at New England ski areas such as the one at Mad River Glen.
 
Yuck! You are a trooper. My advice, pray for Spring and or Sun! I can remember sunny clear days in Upstate, NY! I found this, do you know of it? The powder pass? Check it out! http://www.powderpassport.com/skiareas.html#nh It covers 5 Eastern states and your area!

I get stuck in any weather. I find that vinyl is the only thing that works to keep me dry, a vinyl rain suit in a snow storm or rain as a patrol. The trick is finding one that does not tear.

Carol



riverc0il":35qxhpnw said:
Greetings holiday skiers. Welcome to the party (many weeks to late).

Rolling out of bed 30 minutes after the first alarm went off did not bod well for today especially considering the condition I-93 was in. Snow started last night but rain took over. My 30 minute delay put me into the very front range of I-93 day trippers. A SUV was in a ditch at the Plymouth exit as I merged into the highway. Oh boy, this is going to be a fun commute. Roads were nearly clear as per usual on the other side of the notch and mostly clear on I-91 :roll: 3 hours later rather than the standard 2 hours later, I arrived at Stateside and was on the lift by 9:30 :roll: Sometimes... this NH thing gets a little old... but only on days like today when every minute counts.

I quickly hit the Jet and instantly found lots of untracked 2-4". Jay is reporting 4-6" :bs: We all know Jay pads a few "Jay inches" onto their reports on occasion, but I didn't find more than 4" any where. 48 hours lists 10" no freaking way.

I was surprised, honestly, to find any fresh untracked being an hour late to the lifts on a holiday weekend, but I managed to rack them up in a bunch of runs before 11am when things got busy. The powder was a dense and consolidated variety that was a little on the wet side but still powdery at high elevations early in the morning. Things were pretty well played out by 11am when the crowds showed up but lines were rather respectable, all things considered.

Weather was interesting. It never rained but we did get snow, hail, sleet, etc. off and on with a touch of wind in between precip sessions. I almost decided to shed my parka for a soft shell around 10am-ish.

After lunch, much to my dismay, all lower elevation snow was wet and starting to firm up. The gig was up. Some consolidated wet untracked could still be found after noon time, but dealing with the holiday crowd just wasn't worth the effort and snow at lower elevations was to wet/firm for my liking. It is just amazing how different the crowd was today, really blew my mind. Lots of attitude in the lodge. Lots of lift "stop n' gos n' slows" due to the inexperienced holiday crowd. Got what I was looking for this morning, so worth the trip if only for four hours of skiing. Since I never skied more than 4" of pow *eh ehm* it was definitely not making my powder day list for the season but still a surprise this morning all things considered.

Overall summary is Northern Vermont just dodged a bullet and early birds got to scrape off some frosting.
 
I recommend referring to this page http://www.jaypeakresort.com/en/jay_peak/917/

It is not always updated on a timely basis. The total column only starts when Jay opened Nov. 17, so the 179 for the max is understated.

Correct totals are 165 min and 199 max. I believe averaging the 2 is most consistent with historical recording done by Conrad Klefos from 1982 - 1999.

The average of 182 is consistent with the 158 reported by Smuggler's Notch. Jay, Smuggler's and the Mansfield stake are all running 130-140% of normal now.
 
jamesdeluxe":2zr6hh8k said:
In this morning's e-mail snow report, Jay is reporting 200 inches YTD.

=D> or :^o ??
There is a lot of snow up there. Everything is pretty much wide open tree wise. Still another few dozen inches from absolutely nothing poking through as their still are a few whips. But my helmet has been too close to some low lying branches lately.
 
jamesdeluxe":2r1j0v07 said:
RivercOil, this has your name all over it:
http://www.jaypeakresort.com/en/jay_peak/4032/
I like the idea of a free season pass. :D In all seriousness though, I have only been a Jay Peak skier for three seasons and a pass holder for two. Not sure if I would qualify given my lack of long term experience with the mountain. But then again, often times a fresh set of eyes paint an equally important picture from a different perspective. If Jay is looking for a "forum" on what they need, what they could loose, and what they can't live without, they could merely browse through the FTO forum for a good starting point :lol: I will have to give that some thought and review what type of input I might be able to offer. I would not pursue something like that unless I seriously thought I brought something to the table.
 
I don't recall seeing this recently, but I could have sworn that at the beginning of this decade, under the "snowmaking" section of its website, instead of saying "no," Jay would put "finished for the season!" usually by early January. Implying that they had enough snow, I guess.

Can anyone confirm that they used to officially end snowmaking by this time of the season?
 
Normally snow making is done by late January, early February... They open the snow park normally around those dates... I don't remember Jay's park to be ready for Xmas holiday... And there is never any contests before middle a February (big air, boarder-cross, rail jam, half pipe).

And since there is always a "meltdown" in mid-January, they often need to patch things up before they can wrap-up the snow making season...
 
Jay has been blowing on Can Am according to their web site. They got enough natural that Can Am opened without any snow making earlier this season, if I remember correctly? I am sure snow making "budget" at most places in Northern New England is in the black this point, so a little insurance and touch up seems reasonable for the major trails.
 
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