Mustang Snowcat, BC 2/18-20/23

tseeb

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I had not been to Mustang since February 2020, before it was known that people were dying from COVID, although a few people were wearing masks when I flew through Seattle on my return trip. This will be a short and much different report that my previous 5 years at Mustang without many pictures other than menus due to never having much light and when we did ski open areas we nearly always had to stop behind stands of trees due to high avalanche risk. I know others may have better or different memories, higher verticals for each days and took notes of what runs we skied that I hope they will add.

Saturday 2/18/23
Our cat was the first to complete avalanche training and our guide, Jamie, was still figuring out what the customers and snowpack could do when disaster struck on our third run. While some of us had some nice turns in steeper semi-open area lower on run, unlucky number 13, Andrew from Toronto who was at Mustang for the second time this winter, hit a tree higher on run and broke his femur at about 11 AM. All four cats were done skiing for about two and a half hours to handle the life-threatening emergency. First, they had to immobilize the injury, then used sled from our cat, that quickly re-loaded us and got above the accident site, to get Andrew off the slope and into a flat, open area. One cat had at least five orthopedic surgeons (may have worked better with only one or two) from Toronto and Vancouver areas who were able to inject morphine supplied by Mustang to reduce pain from what turned out to be multiple breaks in a femur.

A helicopter transport was called in, but first they had to drop their heli-skiing customers and refuel at their base, then it took then two tries for pilot to find a flyable route to where cats had packed out a large landing area. Luckily clouds had lifted a bit so heli could get to Andrew. I heard on radio that they wanted to load ‘hot’ which requires enough people to load patient while heli hovered and did not settle into snow. They flew him to Kelowna (edited as I had it wrong), the closest big medical facility, with our guide accompanying him. A private cat that only had 5 or 6 customers was combined with the Drs. private cat since they were down one lead guide. We went with Kelly, which I think it was my first time with a female lead guide. She quickly got us into some good runs and snow, but we all skied cautiously. My SkiTracks counted 6 runs, three befor and three after the injury and I think we had about 9K, my lowest ever for a day at Mustang.
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Sunday 2/19/23
Can powder ever be too deep? That is a question most of us were asking this day. I was skiing my Super 7s that are 188 cm x 116 mm with a lot of shape. I have pair of Blizzard Spurs that are 190 x 125 that would not have been too much ski, but I thought I should try them in CA before hauling them to BC. Skiace was on 188 x 130+ Armadas that he says were just right - he is lighter and a much stronger skier than me. All of us had to time breathing to avoid choking on the nearly continuous, over the head, blower faceshots we had on most of our runs. If you crashed and went in headfirst, you probably could not have gotten yourself out and could easily find yourself in a life threatening situation. Just sitting down while skiing could require assistance or a lot of struggling to get back on skis.

Jamie had us skiing both sides of Carnival (probably not correct spelling), partially to stabilize it. We avoided steep center and entries. Our last run was somewhat of a disaster as Tosca found catroad to pickup blocked by deep snow that another cat had pushed up and she didn't think she get through it even we all heard Nick on radio say something like “just drive over it and let gravity work”. She is 22 year-old daughter of Nick, Mustang’s owner who spent a lot of time with us and was nearly always around. She tried an alternate route, but it was also impassable. In the meantime, Jamie and Nick, who as all Mustang’s cat drivers alternated as tailguide, broke trail for close to a mile down almost flat road while we waited above it. We’d hoped to get another run in, but instead ended up with a 40 minute cat ride back to the lodge. While others may have higher vertical or run count and my SkiTracks had 15 runs/10.5K, I think our total was 9 runs (6 were dips big enough to be counted as runs while climbing) and about 10K as SkiTracks does not always catch top and bottom of runs, but some of the dips were 150’. We also returned to the lodge twice during day. During one of the quick stops, a guest from Vernon got out after sitting out some runs being unable to handle the deep snow. I’m not sure whether it was mental, physical or powder skills, but the deep snow required all three. Nick (and our guide and another employee) joined table where Skiace and I were sitting and shared very good BC Tourigna and a lot of conversation with us.
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Wow is right. After reading the reports from the two days, I see why in-action photos weren't a priority.

I broke my femur 21 years ago at a ski area and it was unbelievably painful to say nothing about artery concerns. After the surgery, it healed more quickly than I'd expected though. I hope you hear good news about him.
 
All of us had to time breathing to avoid choking on the nearly continuous, over the head, blower faceshots we had on most of our runs. If you crashed and went in headfirst, you probably could not have gotten yourself out and could easily find yourself in a life threatening situation. Just sitting down while skiing could require assistance or a lot of struggling to get back on skis.
That's my kind of desired day - for the most part. Also why "Teletubbies" mount for GoPro was invented - get the camera above the pow, lol :icon-lol: . Not quite as recently new snow as yours this trip, but I once had both skis pre-release after a tiny 4 foot jump while cat skiing Steamboat (their equipment). It took me way too long and a huge amount of effort (sweating by the time I was done) to get up out of the bottomless snow. I was lucky that I had one of the two skis right next to me and the other one, while buried, was not too difficult to find.

Seriously though I'm wondering about that injury frequency I'd heard back on my trip. Not always an evac situation, but the frequency of injuries seems to be fairly high based on small sample size and others anecdotes.

Jamie was also my guide back in January.

Tosca found catroad to pickup blocked by deep snow that another cat had pushed up and she didn't think she get through it
I got the sense that a fair bit of turnover at Mustang this year and a lot of newer tail guides and cat drivers. I forget if it was Evan or Owen who was a spectacular tail/cat operator for us on our day 3 (the other was a brand new tail/cat driver). While others were occasionally hesitant and slower, he was fast as the cat could go and was able to take us up steeper cat roads to speed up next runs, etc... Of course he is a logger in the summer, running around in heavy equip all the time and knows how to operate them all to their max.
 
In my 10 tours at Mustang:
Only 2013 had restricted vertical due to excessive snow (33 inches first day and another 14 the next two)
Only 2014 had terrain severely restricted due to widespread snow instability.

2013 snow was not quite as extreme as tseeb describes. First day in 2012 at White Grizzly (20 inches overnight and 50 in past 3 days, group skied 7,800 vertical) might have been close. That snow settled and the next 3 days were outstanding.

I do not recall any hangups with snowcats at Mustang. Once at Baldface there was a situation similar to what tseeb describes of a driver not being able to get through a snow blockage. Once at Chatter Creek there was a mechanical failure of the cat and about an hour delay getting a mechanic up by snowmobile to fix it.
 
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Regarding the depth of the snow we skied on Sunday (day 2), in the spirit of “a picture is worth a thousand words,” this series of Brett (on skis) and Graham (on a board) may be illustrative:

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This one of Chris is pretty good too:

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All of the above pix were taken from the lower-angle runout at the bottom of Carnivale, as we were not permitted to stop on the steeper pitch. You can imagine how much fun it was to ski the steeper part of the run.

I did not take any pictures on Saturday, but did note the runs we skied: Andiamo, West Bank, Bikini Block x 2, Flying Squirrel, Bosa Nova, and Crème Brûlée. Skiace recorded 9k on his watch.

Sunday we skied Perceval, Carnivale x 4, Flying Squirrel, Creme Brulee, Mardi Gras, and Mad Hatter. Skiace recorded 12k on his watch. Excluding Saturday due to the accident and response, this was my lowest vertical feet skied over any of my 7 tours at Mustang. However, it was also the deepest snow I have ever skied.

Monday we skied Andiamo, Le Paul, Clyde’s, Flying Squirrel, Snake Charmer (one of the best runs of the tour), Bikini Block, Peter’s Run, and Clyde’s. Skiace’s watch recorded 13k.

None of my previous tours have had anywhere close to this many repeated runs or been confined to such a small part of the tenure. The lead guides were clearly working very hard to mitigate avalanche risk.

Here are a few more pix from Monday:

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Andrew
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Chris again
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John
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Unfortunately, skiace was consistently too fast for me to catch him in any pix.
 
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Great pictures Mark.

I don't have much to add to my story of our three days at Mustang. On Monday our cat was the first to depart lodge and struggled getting up the hill towards Lodge Peak. There was a place where Brent, our very experienced cat driver and probably Mustang's best, had to take about 10 runs at steep near crest of hill to get up it. It seemed like we were off the road for a few of the tries, but eventually got up it with all other cats waiting behind us. There were a few other places where our cat struggled a little in deep snow and often had to go slower than usual. I agree with Mark that Snake Charmer was the best run we skied although getting to entrance from cat dropoff was difficult and took some time. I also liked shorter but very efficient Peter's run.

We returned to the lodge during day on Monday, skiing Clyde's run. Homebuilder from Vernon exited cat without taking a run. Another skier sat at a few runs even though he's much younger than me and had lived in BC and done a lot of backcountry skiing, but now lives in Toronto. The lone snowboarder in our group who was probably 6' 5" and 250 lbs also sat out a few runs late in the day, but there were many places where he struggled to get over berms off roads into runs and through flats that were not a problem for skiers. If we had full days the first two days, I may have needed to sit out a run or two which would most likely end my time at Mustang as I'm not paying to go down the hill in the cat. I've been suffering from Achilles tendonitis on my left side since beginning of last summer, but it seems to have mostly gone away and is much less painful than plantar fasciitis I seem to have developed on right foot. While I can still ski, I have not been able to be as active as usual for at least six months with reduced walking and no hiking or biking affecting my fitness. I renewed my reservation as did skiace whose reservation is available in 2024. If someone needs two, I can sit out for a year or two before I do what is probably my last trip to Mustang, hopefully with better fitness and maybe bigger skis.

Due to heavy snowfall and low clouds, we left Mustang via hour long cat ride, then 13 Km bus ride with short delay transferring our luggage and gear into upgraded school bus that had storage compartments underneath vs. old bus where everything went in through back window (instead of 8 min/C$130 heli departure). Skiace and I made SB ferry at Shelter Bay with less than five minutes to spare thanks to him watching road on his phone allowing me to pickup speed/gain a little time on the many straightaways. Visibility was poor due to heavy snow and there are no road markers, only reflectors on telephone poles that don't always exactly follow road. South of the ferry was better with less snow. While I would like to see more of the scenery during the day sometime and Spokane-Rossland-Castlegar-Revy route allow flights from closest US gateway to Mustang and some good skiing stops on way, it's not easy but something I had to try.
 
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I renewed my reservation as did skiace whose reservation is available in 2024. If someone needs two, I can sit out for a year
Interesting... not going to jump right away, but something to think about on my side... As of today I'm not signed up for next year - officially alternating years with Skieric.
 
I'm not signed up for next year - officially alternating years with Skieric.
I know this is a dumb question but I'll ask anyway -- how does it work with cat/heli skiing as far as having a return-customer spot reserved for the following season? Are you on the hook for the money and if you can't go, the person who fills in pays you (not the operation)?
 
I was skiing my Super 7s that are 188 cm x 116 mm with a lot of shape. I have pair of Blizzard Spurs that are 190 x 125 that would not have been too much ski, but I thought I should try them in CA before hauling them to BC. Skiace was on 188 x 130+ Armadas that he says were just right
Now that I have a break to research past Mustang trips, this was my situation with skis in 2013:
They needed to be conservative about snow stability, and the new snow was somewhat "upside down," so that it was easy to submarine your skis and hard to bring them up to the surface unless it was quite steep. My Head Jimis were not quite up to this, as I immediately recognized on the first run similar to what I experienced in Niseko in 2011. I asked our guide Bruno if I could get some fatter skis. Most of the demos were taken, but the owner Nick was out of town so they brought me his Volkl Katanas after the second run. They were 143cm at the tip vs. the Jimis 130cm and 183cm vs. the Jimis 180cm. This was just enough to keep me afloat.
My TR from 2013 has some pics to compare with flyover's this year.

If we had full days the first two days, I may have needed to sit out a run or two which would most likely end my time at Mustang as I'm not paying to go down the hill in the cat.
That was precisely my attitude. I never reached that point but was falling a bit farther below average for our group by 2019 and 2020. My aerobic capacity is gradually declining, so if the skiing is strenuous I need more frequent rest breaks than a few years ago. If I had fallen in snow as deep as in this TR, I may have needed some recovery time. It did not help that I lost my step aerobics class to the pandemic.

Last year I had some FOMO reading flyover's rave Mustang review while Liz and I were dealing with a hard frozen subsurface on about 80% of our runs at Island Lake. This year I'm quite sure I was in the right place.

Interesting... not going to jump right away, but something to think about on my side... As of today I'm not signed up for next year - officially alternating years with Skieric.
Mustang reservations are hard to come by, especially at prime dates. Our seats, often over President's weekend, are as prime as it gets:
1) Robust midwinter snowpack; most of the time all cat roads have been built and all terrain is available.
2) In western Canada the point you have to start worrying about sun exposure is about a week into March. A heli can drop you on north facing runs all day long, but as a cat moves around a variety of exposures is inevitable.
3) President's weekend is a good time to NOT be skiing in lift served resorts.

I had skied Mustang 4x before the seats tseeb, flyover and John became available. As an existing customer, I found this out during the tour and was able to step in and grab those seats ahead of those on Mustang's waitlist. For a few years we were always competing with the Toronto doctors' group for openings. Now that group has a private cat.

The bottom line is that skiers with the age and ability profile of skiace or EMSC should not let go of a Mustang seat.
 
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I know this is a dumb question but I'll ask anyway -- how does it work with cat/heli skiing as far as having a return-customer spot reserved for the following season? Are you on the hook for the money and if you can't go, the person who fills in pays you (not the operation)?
To return to Mustang you pay 25% deposit of next year's price on the morning of your last day skiing (when you are paying bar bill and tips) and pay the rest in Fall. If after paying, you have want out and have Mustang find a replacement, I think the charge is C$150 assuming they sell if at full-price. If they have to last-minute discount it, you would also be losing that. If you find a replacement, you are correct that you'd give that name to Mustang and collect from your replacement (could be complicated by currency exchange) and you'd have to work out renewal terms with your replacement (who gets it and who pays).
 
how does it work with cat/heli skiing as far as having a return-customer spot reserved for the following season? Are you on the hook for the money and if you can't go, the person who fills in pays you (not the operation)?
You are absolutely on the hook for the money if you can't go.

If you sell the seat privately, it's your seat and you control the terms, both price and renewal rights. If you turn it over to the operator to sell, they set the rules. If they sell for full price you are usually charged a fee, which is $250 at Island Lake and $500 at Mustang. If it's so short notice they have to discount, you are covering that too. And I'm almost positive at Mustang that the new customer gets the renewal rights. When I checked out of Island Lake yesterday, the cashier pleasantly informed me that I might still have Liz' seat for 2024, but she would have to check on that. The enthusiastic skier from Whitefish who bought the seat one week ahead is not going to be happy if that is true. After breakfast this morning I got an e-mail stating that the seat does indeed belong to the Whitefish skier as I suspected.

You need to be diligent with the back office people at these operations. When we told Island Lake Feb. 2 that Liz couldn't come, they resold both of our seats and I only noticed when I got home from Europe Feb. 9 and checked my credit card account online. The booking guy admitted it was his mistake and said he would check with his boss whether they could squeeze me in. He had sold our seats to a father and 16 year old son, and the boss said they wouldn't take a new customer under Canada's age 19 of majority. So the booking guy rescinded that reservation, gave me back my seat and sold Liz' to the Whitefish skier.

Over the past month Mustang has been offering short notice seats about a week out, but discounting them a modest $100-$200 per day. There are no more 25-35% off deals like I got in 2010 on the heels of the financial crisis about 3-4 weeks in advance. Mustang offers no discount that far ahead. The demand far exceeds the supply for the top cat lodge operators. At least that means there's a decent chance they can sell your seat if you can't go. We notified Island Lake that Liz couldn't go this year about 2 weeks ahead. Skiace's situation last year was the worst case scenario, as his wife broke her tib/fib at Lake Louise the day before they were going into Mustang.
 
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how does it work with cat/heli skiing as far as having a return-customer spot reserved for the following season? Are you on the hook for the money and if you can't go, the person who fills in pays you (not the operation)?
For a comparison to the top places in the world like Mustang, I know of some day trip cat operations that give you first rights, but don't actually book you until ~September for your same date in the coming season. Then they open it up to all comers online by early October.

In my specific case, I went into my trip with an agreement with Skieric from back in October to plan to alternate back and forth every other year (he's the one who is now pre-booked for the MLK weekend trip next year). I agree that the mid-Feb timing is probably about as good as it gets though. I will talk to my brother and see if he is interested in doing a brother cat trip and take these 2 seats (we've only done day cat skiing together before). Going to be very busy next week+ or so though so may be a couple weeks on the guys trip with him in Fernie to see what he thinks. That will also leave it up to me to debate just going myself again and take maybe one seat if he's not interested, etc... I also know that others from my small cat group are trying to shift dates next year which would open a seat or more for that option, etc... Plus having a middle schooler who ski races makes for a whole lot of moving parts for me...

Interestingly enough, I much preferred the small cat group vs full cat groups I had always been in previously (on day cat trips). The price isn't crazy higher (eg it's not like it's double price, but it is half the # of skiers) and the uncrowded cat and much faster pace aspects were awesome IMHO. As a quick example: a full cat group finished a run just to the side of us on one of our runs. Our cat came down the road a couple minutes later than theirs - we still were loaded up and had driven past them already with one or two people still to climb in for them.
 
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I never realized you were taking ski pics, I would have skied last more!

Good write up and great pics
Sorry about that. I’m more like the Rickey Powell of amateur ski vacation photography than the Richard Avedon.

On another topic, I‘ve been scratching my head a little bit about why our vertical totals were so low on days 2 and 3. Undoubtedly, the soft cat roads, the high wallow factor, the unmaintained-Wonderland-Road incident, and the obvious concern over increasing avalanche risk drove our number of runs and our vertical totals down. However, I do wonder if we might have skied significantly more with a lead guide with more years of experience specifically at Mustang. Jamie was very talkative (lots of lengthy additional warnings about tree wells, instructions about how to ski deep powder and wind slab, etc.) and frankly seemed to put a greater emphasis on using us to stabilize key runs rather than thinking about how to shorten time in the cat. It also may not have helped that Nick was tail guiding on day 2. By several metrics, our 2022 tour was overall better skiing. That said, however, I probably wouldn’t trade this year’s experience for anything as I have not previously had the privilege of skiing such deep snow.
 
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I may have needed to sit out a run or two which would most likely end my time at Mustang as I'm not paying to go down the hill in the cat.

Don’t let tseeb fool you. He was consistently in the middle of the pack and, Sierra skier the he his, once again skied the wind slab we encountered just below tree line on day 3 better than any of us.
 
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