New to Loveland Pass

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Well, I think I am going to try Loveland Pass on Saturday for the first time. This will be my first time in the backcountry (even though Loveland is not really true backcountry), and I think I will do fine. I have two years of boarding underneath me and I know the terrain is not all that difficult. I am going with another mid-level rider and a very experienced back country rider, but if anyone has some additional advice, I would appreciate it greatly. We are taking pics and some movies, so I will post after we are done.

Thanks! Tim
 
Tim":1lm24ll7 said:
This will be my first time in the backcountry (even though Loveland is not really true backcountry), and I think I will do fine. I have two years of boarding underneath me and I know the terrain is not all that difficult. I am going with another mid-level rider and a very experienced back country rider, but if anyone has some additional advice, I would appreciate it greatly.

What kind of snow science training have you had? Sure, the snowpack is shallow right now, but Mt. Baldy at Alta slid even during the first storm of the season last week. It was either last winter or the one before, I forget which, that some folks were buried and killed by a Loveland Pass slide.

My point is this: go out and take an Avi I and Avi II course, listen to the official advisories and heed their advice, but learn also to analyze the snow conditions yourself. Take nothing for granted.
 
timmy,

sorry i typed so much, but if you're heading out into the backcountry you will read all of this and take nothing for granted.

i don't know if an avi I or avi II course should be required. i hope not. haha. a basic avalanche course should definately be in your future if you plan to ride backcountry though. a couple night class and a field session. an avi I course might be very similar to this. worth checking out. it might be the same type of terrain you ride at a CONTROLLED ski area, but the conditions are far and few between in the bc. they are NOT CONTROLLED. a lot of people take this for granted when they ride at ski areas in 'avalanche terrain'. it's skiable becuase the ski patrol does thier job, but in some circumstances, mother nature is mother nature, and she'll kick your a$$ if you're not careful......or unaware of the necessary precautions to be taking.

that is smart that you're going with an experianced bc user, but he's not god. listen to what he/she says and take everything very seriously because the backcountry is a very serious place to explore for anyone, not just the inexperianced user. experianced users who don't get themselves into trouble sometimes find themselves with a false sense of security and taking risks that maybe they shouldn't sometimes. ask your experianced backcountry user friend this when you're about to drop in: how do you feel about the stability of the snowpack? feel like it's safe? if he says yes, then ask for his transciever. does he still feel safe to drop in without his transciever?

if there's enough snow to ride/ski, then there's enough to cause an avalanche. here's an example:

last november i was out with friend riding in a backcountry area near Big Sky. there was about 2' of snow in the heavy areas. we dug a pit, all fluff right down to the ground. started riding. seemed fine. stopped after i had taken a few turns over to a safe area to see how the snow would react. waite for my partner. then i decided where i was gonna go down. to the right or to the left of some trees. i went left. made about 2 turns and felt some crust undernieth my board. hmmmm, that's wierd. the pit didn't show any crust layers at all. then while i was turning into my 3rd turn my nose went under this crust. sent me for a cartwheel. right back to my feet. few. oh, wait. back on my butt just like that. the snow was moving from under my feet. i was in the middle of a slide. sitting on my butt, i tried to scurry to the edge of the slide....a mere 3' away. helpless. i was in it for the ride. then a huge WHOOOOOSH slammed me from behind. this was the rest of the slab rushing down the slope that excellerated the slide to atleast twice it's speed. got thrown into some trees and came to a hault. and yes, it does cure like cement when it stops. the slide was about 20' wide and from the fracture line down to the end of the runout zone it was about 150 yards in length. small slide, but still enough to wake you the fu... up. "you think you know? you have no idea"

i'm assuming you all have transcievers, shovels and probes, AND know how to conduct a search with those tools, right? good. the most important tool you have with you is your head.........use it.

i would also suggest that you should consider yourself of expert ability before you go out and do any sort of backcountry exploring........no matter what level you consider the terrain to be. like i said before, it's not like a controled ski area.

good luck and enjoy yourself. be safe.
 
and like Admin stated:

CHECK YOUR AVALANCHE CENTER FOR AVALANCHE CONDITIONS BEFORE YOU GO OUT. understand the different ratings and categories they use to determine thier ratings.

don't use these ratings as your rule of thumb either. it is not your safeguard. nothing is!

understanding snowpack is not as simple as it might seem. i have 16 years of riding experiance and still get caught in avalanches. hopefully not again though. once is enough.

be aware of different slope aspects and how snowconditions change relative to thier aspects.

man, i could write for days. i've grilled enough for now though.

looking forward to those pics.
 
I know with past experience I have grossly underestimated peoples ability to ski natural snow conditions.Even in simple natural conditions such as Barrons at Mittrsill.The best advice is just like Hamdog said,ask your bud for his tranciever.Even small slides like the one reported by Hamdog can have catostrophic results.They carry rocks and chunks of ice that can pummel you into hamburger before you even stop.
Again,Hamdog makes a good point when he says a slide will set up like cement when it stops.We had an incident here in NH several years ago where two skiers were in the Gulf of Slides when they got caught in a slide.The girl who was closer to the bottom was buried up to her waist.The guy she was with was uphill,buried upside down with his feet sticking out of the snow from the waist down.In the time it took her to unbury herself and get uphill to dig out her companion,he died.She was within sight of him and watched him kicking his exposed legs around until they finally stopped.He suffocated in about three feet of snow.They were also only three miles from help but it may as well have been a thousand.Check out the story http://www.avalanche.org/proc-show.php3?OID=17261

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Thank you all for your detailed messages and advice. I am going to take all of it. I know that we will have beacons and shovels, but I will check on probes. I will check the avalanche report as well, but make sure that my experienced rider and I personally check the conditions prior. If I dont' feel comfortable with it, I will definitely have no issues with driving down the other side of the pass and hitting the open runs at Abasin with the rest of the "herd".

Thanks again and I will be taking the recommended classes very soon. In fact, I am going to start with the REI avalanche awareness class next wed.

Thanks again to all! Tim
 
tacolorado":2jttw1jb said:
Thanks again and I will be taking the recommended classes very soon. In fact, I am going to start with the REI avalanche awareness class next wed.

Terrific! Glad to hear that you're pursuing the requisite knowledge.

Looking forward to those pics, and stay safe out there.
 
Anonymous":1onbujdb said:
Well, I think I am going to try Loveland Pass on Saturday for the first time.

Tim, definitely use all of the advice you have gotten here as it is all good. By the same token, know that the area you have chosen to start your BC experience is well travelled; you may in fact see others skiing there or find fresh tracks recently laid down. The Loveland pass area is easy access and it is a great choice for the aspiring BC rider.

I do not want to minimize the power of knowledge and experience, and you must stick with your partner especially if he has the experience you lack; early season OB skiing can be treacherous. But it is important to feel secure in your own skills and trust yourself too. Most important, feel comfortable with backing away from a line you do not feel you can handle-it is better to run away today so that you can return to fight another day.
 
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