OK, Tony C, I luv ya but let?s have at it again
Back before my UT trip in late Jan, I attributed my recent bad luck with my UT ski trips with this comment:
?Personally, I attribute this climate change...more snow droughts and warm ups along with big snow years (04, 05). All I can say is this: during the 90's, it used to be money in the bank that you'd at least get pp conditions in the Wasatch from Xmas - mid March, and could therefore book a trip weeks or months in advance and not worry. It's a lot harder to do that these days. Hey, I'll still have fun, but I'm just calling it like I see it.?
You then replied the following: http://firsttracksonline.com/boards/vie ... 5312#15312
?This is demonstrably not true. Alta December 1966 - March 1986 monthly average 93.61 inches with standard deviation 41.10 inches. Alta December 1986 - March 2006 monthly average 87.82 inches with standard deviation 36.68 inches. Less variability in the past 20 years than the previous 20, though neither difference in average nor standard deviation is meaningful. I'll repeat this again; there is NO trend in snowfall over the past 30 years in any of the 97 areas in North America that I measure except for low altitude (<4,000 ft.) in the Pacific Northwest.?, along with stats from the 70's/80?s thru the present.
OK, after I got back from my trip (which turned out great, after all my bitching!), I started a new job which has kept my weekdays busy, and I?ve been enjoying the great stretch here in the East from 2/14 ? 3/18 so I haven?t had time to respond. My apologies. But now that I?ve got my head back above water, I?d like to rekindle this debate.
Here?s my point: strictly using snow totals at high elevation resorts does not truly address my overall point, which is that climate change is having a slow but steady negative influence on ski conditions on a worldwide basis. As we in the East know, if snowfall is followed rapidly by a thaw/freeze cycle, it significantly degrades the skiing quality. And I don?t have hard stats at my fingertips (God forbid!!
), but on the heels of a very warm March in the inter-mountain West (and elsewhere, I think, such as CA, the PAC NW, ID, etc), these unusually long and strong warm spells, I stand by my point that it?s becoming more difficult to count on good pp conditions (not powder, which has always been a crapshoot) when planning a ski trip weeks or months in advance.
Moreover, I submit that citing stats from the 70?s & 80?s is now practically useless since anthropogenic global warming (there, I said it!! :shock: ) has resulted in significant changes in just the past 15 years. Tony, I know and respect your use of data?just look at how many worldwide temperature records have been broken since, say, 1993. And surely you?ve aware of glaciers receding all over the world, and lower elevation ski areas in Europe becoming highly endangered. This is a problem that stands to get much worse before it gets any better, unless all us humans (not just the USA) take drastic, immediate action.
In short, the future ain?t what it used to be!
Back before my UT trip in late Jan, I attributed my recent bad luck with my UT ski trips with this comment:
?Personally, I attribute this climate change...more snow droughts and warm ups along with big snow years (04, 05). All I can say is this: during the 90's, it used to be money in the bank that you'd at least get pp conditions in the Wasatch from Xmas - mid March, and could therefore book a trip weeks or months in advance and not worry. It's a lot harder to do that these days. Hey, I'll still have fun, but I'm just calling it like I see it.?
You then replied the following: http://firsttracksonline.com/boards/vie ... 5312#15312
?This is demonstrably not true. Alta December 1966 - March 1986 monthly average 93.61 inches with standard deviation 41.10 inches. Alta December 1986 - March 2006 monthly average 87.82 inches with standard deviation 36.68 inches. Less variability in the past 20 years than the previous 20, though neither difference in average nor standard deviation is meaningful. I'll repeat this again; there is NO trend in snowfall over the past 30 years in any of the 97 areas in North America that I measure except for low altitude (<4,000 ft.) in the Pacific Northwest.?, along with stats from the 70's/80?s thru the present.
OK, after I got back from my trip (which turned out great, after all my bitching!), I started a new job which has kept my weekdays busy, and I?ve been enjoying the great stretch here in the East from 2/14 ? 3/18 so I haven?t had time to respond. My apologies. But now that I?ve got my head back above water, I?d like to rekindle this debate.
Here?s my point: strictly using snow totals at high elevation resorts does not truly address my overall point, which is that climate change is having a slow but steady negative influence on ski conditions on a worldwide basis. As we in the East know, if snowfall is followed rapidly by a thaw/freeze cycle, it significantly degrades the skiing quality. And I don?t have hard stats at my fingertips (God forbid!!
Moreover, I submit that citing stats from the 70?s & 80?s is now practically useless since anthropogenic global warming (there, I said it!! :shock: ) has resulted in significant changes in just the past 15 years. Tony, I know and respect your use of data?just look at how many worldwide temperature records have been broken since, say, 1993. And surely you?ve aware of glaciers receding all over the world, and lower elevation ski areas in Europe becoming highly endangered. This is a problem that stands to get much worse before it gets any better, unless all us humans (not just the USA) take drastic, immediate action.
In short, the future ain?t what it used to be!