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Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:00 pm

Very surprised at the addition of Grand Targhee. Makes for a nice cluster of hills (Alta/Snowbird/Jackson/Targhee/Big Sky) in an area with easy transport access and heaps of other things to see. Perfect way for keen skiers from overseas to sample the best of US skiing.

Panorama makes a nice addition that forms a cluster easily accessed from Calgary. Best used in spring I would think? Revelstoke first then onto Panorama and then Lake Louise/Sunshine.

Edit. An Cham for those US skiers who do an Alps trip.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:37 am

It makes my choice between base and full Ikon and Mountain Collective more difficult as it's hard to predict next year's skiing.

Group we missed skiing with this year at Jackson is going to Aspen, but not yet sure when so small chance I could have conflict. And even without making it to Big Sky, Alta/Snowbird/Jackson/Targhee sounds like a good trip. And to get 5 days at both Aspen and Jackson with Ikon requires paying $649 (renewal price) for base plus $150 while full pass gives you 7 days at both Aspen and Jackson for $899 (renewal).
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby vanhanbr » Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:32 pm

I ultimately decided on the mountain collective pass for several reasons. I bought the pass before this corona virus mess. Ikon now offers and addition $50-100 off the already discounted renewal price to make-up for the early closing of the season. Even so, I still would have purchased the mountain collective pass because I wanted to visit Aspen and Jackson Hole. The kids pass was also considerably cheaper. I plan to augment my MC pass days with Indy resorts.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:21 pm

vanhanbr wrote:I ultimately decided on the mountain collective pass for several reasons. I bought the pass before this corona virus mess. Ikon now offers and addition $50-100 off the already discounted renewal price to make-up for the early closing of the season. Even so, I still would have purchased the mountain collective pass because I wanted to visit Aspen and Jackson Hole. The kids pass was also considerably cheaper. I plan to augment my MC pass days with Indy resorts.


Mountain Collective is great for all those reasons.
I'm still tempted to punt the purchase of a pass even though it's unlikely I'll get to use it here in our Australian winter and there's a chance I won't use it next Northern Hemisphere winter. I'll wait to see how things pan out before making a purchase of course. We can still buy 'at par' (Aussie dollars) which is a huge saving for us.
A spring skiing trip beginning late March to Revelstoke, Panorama, LL and Sunshine would be grand.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:14 pm

The ski world has changed a lot since I posted in this thread a little over a month ago. With all the uncertainty I'd first thought about delaying purchase until fall when I could probably still buy Sierra-at-Tahoe unlimited pass for $449 or pass that is blacked out on holidays for $379. Either one gives you Powder Alliance benefits, but then I learned the only other Tahoe area on Powder Alliance, Sugar Bowl, dropped out after two years it's so not as attractive to me. While Sierra has some good lifts, terrain and side-country, and is mostly wind-protected and gets a lot of snow, it's 18 miles/30 minutes from my family's cabin at So. Tahoe including Echo Summit and avalanche-prone Meyer's Grade vs. a mile on a back road to Heavenly's CA base.

If I stick with Vail Tahoe pass, then in early September, I'm eligible for Senior version of Tahoe Value pass which is also $449. It's blacked out on holidays and you can only ski Heavenly 7 days a week as Kirkwood and Northstar are blacked out all Saturdays. But if my wife gets that pass it's $529 for her and she has not gotten enough use out of her Tahoe Vail passes. At least the last three times she had one, she would have done about as well or better using Buddy tickets on my pass, although that may require waiting in a ticket line.

And then you have to wonder if will there be a full 2020-21 season. Ikon either had some good questions or low enough pass sales that after they doubled the renewal discount and extended deadline to May 27 last week, this week they added an option to defer pass funds to 2021-22. You have to decide by Dec 10 to defer to the following season and can't have used the pass.

"Pass deferral requests must be received by Ikon Pass, Inc. between September 10 and December 10, 2020. A deferral request may be made by either the pass purchaser or the adult pass holder of any 20/21 Ikon Pass product. In each case, the associated credit will only be issued to the actual pass holder (who may not be the pass purchaser) of the deferred 20/21 Ikon Pass product. "

"There is no fee associated with the Adventure Assurance Program."

https://www.ikonpass.com/en/adventure-assurance-program" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While all that sounds good, will there still be an Ikon or Alterra if they don't have a season next winter or will they go bankrupt? I've received refund for a cancelled food festival my wife and I were supposed to attend the last weekend of March and received email notice of a refund for a play we were supposed to see on March 31, but have yet to see refund on my credit card. I was also supposed to go to concert at Chase Center on night before Easter. It's been re-scheduled to early Oct. (a year after I bought tickets), but our governor said it's not likely that we will be having big events in the near future and our county executive said large sporting events are unlikely to resume late November. We should know more by the May 27 Ikon deadline. I hope it's progress on re-opening and not setbacks.

I'm also awaiting refund for trans-Atlantic flight from Norwegian Air who may not make it through corona virus, or through April. I bought tickets in mid-Feb to fly to Spain on May 2. They canceled flight on April 10 and offered 120% credit instead of refund, but I bought flights during a 20% off sale and would rather get my money back than have credit that may be worthless. I've heard it takes two to four weeks and that credit card companies are withholding nearly 100% of funds from airline so I'm not going there yet. I realize this is all very first world problems and nothing compared to the nearly 40,000 people who have died in US so far from virus.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:40 am

tseeb wrote:I'm also awaiting refund for trans-Atlantic flight from Norwegian Air who may not make it through corona virus, or through April.

Ugh, let us know if you get your refund. This article is from five weeks ago -- no idea what's happened since then:
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/norwegian-on-the-brink/

Three years ago, I flew them one way last-minute to London Gatwick because it was a thousand dollars cheaper than any other option. Brand new 787 planes but the experience felt like People's Express (anyone remember them?).
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby sierra_cement » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:17 pm

Sbooker wrote:Very surprised at the addition of Grand Targhee. Makes for a nice cluster of hills (Alta/Snowbird/Jackson/Targhee/Big Sky) in an area with easy transport access and heaps of other things to see. Perfect way for keen skiers from overseas to sample the best of US skiing.

Panorama makes a nice addition that forms a cluster easily accessed from Calgary. Best used in spring I would think? Revelstoke first then onto Panorama and then Lake Louise/Sunshine.

Edit. An Cham for those US skiers who do an Alps trip.


I think MCP is sold late into December and the price increase is low. Are you buying the pass in advance this time?

I have booked refundable lodging for a few trips next season but I will wait as long as I can to buy the Epic pass.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:00 pm

sierra_cement wrote:
Sbooker wrote:Very surprised at the addition of Grand Targhee. Makes for a nice cluster of hills (Alta/Snowbird/Jackson/Targhee/Big Sky) in an area with easy transport access and heaps of other things to see. Perfect way for keen skiers from overseas to sample the best of US skiing.

Panorama makes a nice addition that forms a cluster easily accessed from Calgary. Best used in spring I would think? Revelstoke first then onto Panorama and then Lake Louise/Sunshine.

Edit. An Cham for those US skiers who do an Alps trip.


I think MCP is sold late into December and the price increase is low. Are you buying the pass in advance this time?

I have booked refundable lodging for a few trips next season but I will wait as long as I can to buy the Epic pass.


I'm from Australia so I don't know if international travel will be realistically possible come next winter. So I won't be buying in advance that's for sure.
Still hoping for the best though.
I have always bought at first opportunity in the past as it has the advantage of getting the third bonus day and the ability for us to buy 'at par' in Aussie dollars.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby sierra_cement » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:49 pm

Sbooker wrote:I'm from Australia so I don't know if international travel will be realistically possible come next winter. So I won't be buying in advance that's for sure.
Still hoping for the best though.
I have always bought at first opportunity in the past as it has the advantage of getting the third bonus day and the ability for us to buy 'at par' in Aussie dollars.


Understood. Buying early has benefits. It's not worth the risk this time.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:24 am

Vail announced credits towards next year's pass for early closure. (Sorry if I'm getting off MCP topic, but seems like we could use this thread for all of next year's passes, like I have been doing.)

"To address last season’s unexpected resort closure, 19/20 season pass holders will get at least a 20% credit, and up to 80% based on how much you were able to use your pass, to apply toward a pass for next season. Epic Day Pass and Edge Card holders with unused days are also eligible for credits, up to 80%. ​

To provide you with peace of mind, we are introducing FREE Epic Coverage for 20/21 pass holders, which will provide refunds for certain resort closures, including events like COVID-19, as well as for eligible job loss, injury and more. ​ ​

To give you the time you need, we are eliminating our spring deadlines, giving you through Labor Day (Sept. 7) to use your credit and to lock in 10 Buddy Tickets. We will also continue offering the lowest up-front pass deposit of only $49 down. ​
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This works well for me although there are a lot of details I have not read through detail on FREE Epic Coverage for 20/21 pass holders. My wife, who says she is not buying a pass for next year which means I would be doing it, would get a 44% credit towards next year's pass since she only used her pass for 3 days. Not only would I get unexpected 20% credit, but new deadline is after I will qualify for Senior version of Tahoe Value pass so it eliminates the hassle of changing pass to new version after purchase. It also could help my son who bought his pass late and bought insurance as he had overtrained and hurt his Achille preparing for Big Sur Marathon that would have been last weekend and did not used his pass. He's trying to get something from Dr. her saw in Nov. and Dec. to get 100% refund, but this would at least give him something.

On the non-pass refunds, the theatre that said they refunded my tickets quickly replied to my email and said it could take up to 30 days for credit to appear. That does not sound right to me. My friend already saw his credit . I will dispute purchase through credit card if I don't see it by the end of next week. I had seen mixed reviews on flying Norwegian before I booked, but it seemed like the only major problem (beside unexpected charges for overhead baggage) was if flight was canceled you could be waiting too long for next flight (forcing you to take refund and pay for last minute flight) as they didn't fly many routes every day and the next flights were often full. I expect to be doing a credit card chargeback with Norwegian later this week as they could be going under next week.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby sierra_cement » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:12 pm

tseeb wrote:
To give you the time you need, we are eliminating our spring deadlines, giving you through Labor Day (Sept. 7) to use your credit and to lock in 10 Buddy Tickets. We will also continue offering the lowest up-front pass deposit of only $49 down. ​ [/i]"

This works well for me although there are a lot of details I have not read through detail on FREE Epic Coverage for 20/21 pass holders


This is good. I wasn't planning on buying until early-December. I'm still a bit confused if I should buy right away since I already have refundable lodging booked up for most trips next season. I'll book flights on Southwest once they are released in May.

Since I lose nothing by waiting until September, that's what I will do. I will re-evaluate then.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:51 pm

Ikon quickly responded by adding Mt Bachelor and Windham. 5 days on base pass and 7 on full Ikon. Adding Bachelor makes Ikon more interesting to me as Bachelor is closer for me than UT, has long season of good snow and I have friend in the area I could stay with if I don't try a camper trip. I'd also like to improve my luck on having Summit open.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:00 pm

Mountain Collective off sale temporarily.
I hope this disruption is does not cause Mountain Collective to end for some reason.

I'm impressed that Ikon has been able to get Mt Bachelor onside. If there was any doubt that their group of hills was not superior to Vail's lot that doubt must be quickly subsiding. I think adding one of the large Okanagan areas like Sun Peaks, Silver Star, Big White would complete their stable nicely (while catering to the 'family' category).

I'm wondering if either Vail or Alterra are chasing other largish ski areas like Loveland, Wolf Creek, Red, Whitewater, Schweitzer, Whitefish, Mt Rose etc?
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby sierra_cement » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:01 am

Sbooker wrote:Mountain Collective off sale temporarily.
I hope this disruption is does not cause Mountain Collective to end for some reason.

I'm impressed that Ikon has been able to get Mt Bachelor onside. If there was any doubt that their group of hills was not superior to Vail's lot that doubt must be quickly subsiding. I think adding one of the large Okanagan areas like Sun Peaks, Silver Star, Big White would complete their stable nicely (while catering to the 'family' category).

I'm wondering if either Vail or Alterra are chasing other largish ski areas like Loveland, Wolf Creek, Red, Whitewater, Schweitzer, Whitefish, Mt Rose etc?


I hope Mt. Rose doesn't go on Ikon. I'd be happy to pay again for the Rose pass again as I like ski areas with no base villages. I had a great time there for a this season.

I thought Ikon locations were more for experts. For intermediates like me, the Epic pass locations are better. That's why I'm going with Epic pass next season so I can ski Park City, Heavenly and do a ski camp at Whistler.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby jamesdeluxe » Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:21 am

Sbooker wrote:I'm wondering if either Vail or Alterra are chasing other largish ski areas like Loveland, Wolf Creek, Red, Whitewater, Schweitzer, Whitefish, Mt Rose etc?

Loveland would be absolutely nuts to join one or the two big passes.
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