Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:57 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:New Zealand has achieved internal eradication of COVID-19 with no new cases in 17 days.
That means even sports events and concerts with fans are OK.

Can Australia achieve this also?
New cases last exceeded 30 per day on April 19 and they are down to single digits now.


It's an interesting position we're in. Our state premier is today talking of opening the border to New Zealand prior to opening the border to our neighbouring state of New South Wales.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/queen ... 93749a3a47" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

This leaves me in a difficult position. Firstly our school holidays are in the last week of June/first week of July and the last week of September/first week of October. June/July is too early to reliably pre-commit to ski in Australia and New Zealand and September/October is too late for almost every hill with the exception of Mt Ruapehu which has about 1600 feet elevation advantage over most of the other hills. (Incidentally most of the Aussie and NZ resorts top out at about 6000 feet).
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So I can either take my kids out of school for a few days and get three days skiing in at Thredbo/Perisher in New South Wales in August for reliable winter type conditions with a usually decent base or leave it until the September school holidays so we can have a bit of extra time on the north island of NZ. The problem is the tickets go on sale for Thredbo today and are expected to sell out fast as the resort can only operate at 50% capacity under regulations the state government has set out during this time of Covid.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:08 pm

I would be concerned about reduced capacity ticket rationing during peak season (February north, August south) in view of what happened at A-Basin May 27 - June 7.

I would opt for the spring Ruapehu option in sbooker's situation.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:47 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thredbo's website has crashed. Prior to that it had created a queue and the last time my wife checked it was at 22000. :)
This probably means we're flying to the land of the long white cloud in September.
In other news Japan has nominated tourists from Australia and NZ to be first to travel to their shores post Covid lockdown.
https://7news.com.au/travel/aussies-amo ... -c-1071849
Kind of topical because Niseko is on Mountain Collective. With any luck I may be in Hokkaido in January.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:18 am

Sbooker wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thredbo's website has crashed. Prior to that it had created a queue and the last time my wife checked it was at 22000. :)

Deja vu from A-Basin's website crashing when it first opened for reservations May 25. I have read (unconfirmed) that there were on the order of 7,000 entries for the 600 slots each day at A-Basin. Halfway through the opening, A-Basin passholders got a separate allocation, which resulted in my friend Paul being successful 2 out of 5 times after that.
Sbooker wrote:With any luck I may be in Hokkaido in January.

No surprise Liz and I endorse that idea based upon our 2016 trip, which has lots of TR's here.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Aspen Skico says Liftopia owes $2.4M from Mountain Collective sales which could have been the reason sales were suspended for a time earlier this year. https://www.aspentimes.com/news/aspen-s ... ollective/
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:53 pm

Some more details on Liftopia (deleted Mountain Collective) being pushed into bankruptcy at https://skiing.substack.com/p/liftopia- ... plattekill and https://skiing.substack.com/p/accepting ... vised-debt

The first link says “Liftopia offered them as little as 20 cents on the dollar for the amounts owed” which pushed ski areas to force involuntary bankruptcy so they could see financials.

The second link includes “So have you spent our money on other things like rent and payroll and therefore it’s gone? Or is it stuck in a bank account frozen by your lender? Trying to understand what happened to our revenues, which to be clear, were never yours to begin with.”
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:30 pm

Aspen Skiing Company is the managing member of the Mountain Collective pass. Liftopia is a payment processing interface, sort of like Stubhub, another company reputedly in distress.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:51 am

Surprised to see from ads on snowbrains that Powderhorn is selling summer lift tickets on Liftopia and Caberfae (MI) is selling lift tickets on Liftopia for any date you select beginning today. Others selling through Liftopia include Pine Mountain, MI, who will sell you a season pass, and Mission Ridge, WA, who will let you buy $50 or $100 of Mountain Money for $50 or $100, respectively.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:48 pm

Didn’t see this one coming.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby baldyskier » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:01 pm

Seems even less likely that US citizens will be skiing in Canada next season.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:28 am

baldyskier wrote:Seems even less likely that US citizens will be skiing in Canada next season.

That's what Mustang thinks. They have cancelled all non-Canadian customers, though we can leave our deposits with them for 2022.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby jamesdeluxe » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:14 am

Interesting to note that golf courses nationwide have reportedly been doing absurdly well during the pandemic.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby baldyskier » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:36 pm

As long as they stay out of the clubhouse. There were some serious Coronavirus outbreaks at ski areas just before the March shutdown. I think gondolas, trams, and bars were suspect.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:05 am

Golf courses opening in Orange and Riverside Counties in April were what prompted Mt. Baldy to reopen with its "tee time" model. My understanding is that golf course clubhouses did not open, at least in that April phase.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby sierra_cement » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:10 pm

I have decided to get the Tahoe Local version of the Epic Pass next season. I was debating whether to buy a pass at an independent mountain like Sierra-at-Tahoe or Mt. Rose. Beginner terrain at Kirkwood and intermediate at Heavenly is the best fit for my family right now. Plus being able to find relatively affordable lodging in South Tahoe helps.

My daughter's school is remote until December. If we get early snow, I will probably spend more time in Tahoe after Thanksgiving. It would be fun to get in a couple of hours of skiing every day. My guess is lot of people are thinking that way so it won't be uncrowded like the week I spent in Tahoe in February.

I have been doing strength training during this lockdown. Hopefully, it translates to a progression in my skiing. I want to ski ungroomed blue and groomed black slopes this season at Kirkwood/Heavenly.

I don't know how lessons are going to work this season. It might be a season of doing drills on my own. I hope I can enrol my daughter in lessons, otherwise, she will just be on the beginner lift the whole season.
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