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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:51 am

jamesdeluxe wrote:
Sbooker wrote:I'm wondering if either Vail or Alterra are chasing other largish ski areas like Loveland, Wolf Creek, Red, Whitewater, Schweitzer, Whitefish, Mt Rose etc?

Loveland would be absolutely nuts to join one or the two big passes.

I agree with James on all of those more low key areas. But I agree with sbooker that Big White or Sun Peaks make a lot of sense for Ikon. Schweitzer and Whitefish are borderline, but the locals at those places would bitch a lot.

Mt. Bachelor, as a Powdr Corp area, should have been on Ikon all along, as it's surely their most prominent area after Killington and Copper. But Bachelor has always been a stepchild to Powdr Corp. Needless to say I'm delighted with this news, and should Bachelor reopen (logical but given Powdr Corp track record I'd be astounded) I will definitely hit the road to ski there.
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Re: Mountain Collective 20/21.

Postby baldyskier » Fri May 08, 2020 5:19 pm

Sbooker wrote:Mountain Collective off sale temporarily.
I hope this disruption is does not cause Mountain Collective to end for some reason.


I had the MC the past few years. I was going to use it in March this year, but Coronavirus shut the door. The only concession I saw MC make so far was a $50 discount for renewals. They had no provision for passholders that didn't further use it this season, nor any refund policy if next season is impacted.

I'm not sure what they're doing now, perhaps looking to sweeten the pot, or maybe throw in the towel? MC is great for me, as I live in CA and have friends in SLC. I also would like to ski Grand Targhee. However, I do not plan to sign up to the current offer. I don't ski enough to justify the extra cost of the Ikon Pass. (More first world problems, I know.)
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Sat May 23, 2020 2:41 pm

There an update on 20/21 season passes. Ikon has extended deadline for renewal credits for three weeks from 5/26 to 6/16.

Following are more personal issues:
I received email from Vail on 5/13 that detailed pass renewal credits for my wife's Tahoe Vail Pass and my Tahoe Local Pass. My wife gets a credit of $219.56 (44% of $499 - she only used pass 3 days) so her 20/21 pass would be under $310 ($529-219.56 - just noticed the 6%/$30 bump in price). My 20% credit from $589 Tahoe Local Pass is $117.80 as I used more than 4 days on my pass. Since I can downgrade to the $449 Senior Tahoe Value Pass just before 9/7 deadline, it sounds like I get 20% off that so my pass will be $359. Seems like a good deal getting both of us passes for under $669 that cover three areas within a 4-hour drive from home with one a mile from family cabin. It will be interesting to see how it works everywhere if they have to limit crowds, which I already try to avoid.

I received refund from canceled play. Mine took weeks after BroadwaySF said it was coming while my friend's took days. I also received my refund from Norwegian Airlines flight they canceled on 4/8. They emailed me on 5/19 to say it was processing and my credit card showed it on 5/20 although I did not see it until today. My friends who I think canceled their flights in mid-March before Norwegian canceled received full refund ~8 days earlier. My only remaining item is concert tickets for show that was supposed to be night before Easter. It was originally rescheduled to 10/2/20 with no option for refund. On May 1, they rescheduled to 10/22/2021 with option through June 1 (this year) for refund which I will probably request.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:30 pm

https://mountaincollective.com/
Mountain Collective back on sale. Third bonus day available temporarily.
Punters can cancel up until mid October - with full refund.
I'm going to buy it as my 'go to' Aussie hill (Thredbo) has announced that day tickets will be $160 this year. Yikes. So three day tickets is more expensive than the pass itself.
I'm probably not going to be able to practically leave Australia for next northern hemisphere winter but if I can I will use more of the pass somewhere I'm sure as it includes days in Japan (Niseko), Europe (Chamonix) and Canada (Panorama, Revelstoke, Lake Louise and Sunshine).
I'm daring to dream about an Easter trip to Canada or France.
Damn you Covid 19.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:41 pm

I renewed our Ikons a week ago. I wanted to get that out of the way before my cross country road trip started last Friday.

Liz was relatively restrained about buying live music events this year due to her being in Florida all but 4 days since Feb. 1. We have 2 concerts in September, so it's too early to know when/if they will be rescheduled.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:14 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:I renewed our Ikons a week ago. I wanted to get that out of the way before my cross country road trip started last Friday.

Liz was relatively restrained about buying live music events this year due to her being in Florida all but 4 days since Feb. 1. We have 2 concerts in September, so it's too early to know when/if they will be rescheduled.


Live entertainment (such as large concerts) is off the table here in Oz. I suspect it will be one of the last things to get back to normal.
Anecdotal of course but I detect a distinct loosening of the shackles here - from the public's point of view anyway. I feel that when things start to open up we will move back to 'pre-covid' life quicker than I suspected they may only one month ago. I'm even more optimistic on at least some international travel being practically possible in early 2021. I think Japan is the most likely ski destination to be available for Aussies.
Off topic but Covid must be taking a relative back seat in your parts. Other news worthy items would be dominating I would think?
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:55 pm

Sbooker wrote:Off topic but Covid must be taking a relative back seat in your parts. Other news worthy items would be dominating I would think?
Yes. Another big problem made much worse by someone that some of us hope will go away this Fall/Winter.

Somebody else from Australia posted on pugski that Ikon and MCP would not be valid at Thredbo this year, but I think that was based on outdated info (or before somebody's lawyers told them what was in the contract they signed). Note that Thredbo is not selling their passes this year.

I'm still undecided on Ikon. It could be a year that I will be happy to be able to only ski Vail Tahoe resorts. I'm not sure I want to give Ikon an interest-free loan from mid-June 2020 before skiing in Spring or late-Fall 2021, when I could apply my funds to higher priced passes, assuming they can stay in business.

Since nobody has responded, I'm editing to add that Sun Peaks, BC has been added to the Mountain Collective.

The email from Ticketmaster for concert where I spent $375 for two pre-sale upper deck (but not on side) tickets said If you do not choose this option by June 1, 2020, your tickets will remain valid for the rescheduled date. Note that it says 'by' not 'before'

You have until June 1, 2020 to choose the option below (Request a Refund). When I clicked on link this AM, I did not see that option. So I called and phone tree said nobody is answering phone due to Covid-19. So I waited until 9 AM local time and was able to do Live Chat where Erika said they canceled my order and I would be refunded (first she said $137.24, but corrected it without my prompting). I took a lot of screen prints and pasted them into a document for refund requests. I still see the tickets in my account.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:52 pm

tseeb wrote:I'm not sure I want to give Ikon an interest-free loan from mid-June 2020 before skiing in Spring or late-Fall 2021

At what interest rate would that be these days???? You're essentially betting on no price increase a year from now, which is of course possible in a slow virus reopening scenario.

My Ikon decision is easier. Most of my skiing at Mammoth is early/late season and midweek, so it's hard to believe it won't pay off even if there are capacity restrictions. The Ikon is also good for day trips to Big Bear.

I'm making a more substantial interest free loan to the L.A. Dodgers, paid in installments from Sept. 2019 - Feb.2020. The Dodgers are giving a 10% bonus applicable to future expenses (most likely postseason) if we leave that money on deposit. Again, 10% seems worth it even if takes 2 years.

I agree live sports and music events will be the last things to return to normal. But I think Oz and NZ might achieve full eradication and truly return to normal internally while remaining isolated from the rest of the world. Here COVID-19 may be managed but it won't disappear without a vaccine.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:11 am

Tony Crocker wrote:
tseeb wrote:I'm not sure I want to give Ikon an interest-free loan from mid-June 2020 before skiing in Spring or late-Fall 2021

At what interest rate would that be these days???? You're essentially betting on no price increase a year from now, which is of course possible in a slow virus reopening scenario.
You can still get 1.3% on Savings accounts if you look hard, but rates are dropping. Even the rewards checking I have has cut rate from 2.02% to 1.51% (on first $25K). It makes me wish I had bought more CA tax-free bonds a year ago as I was still seeing good quality 16 years to maturity paying 2.50-3% and now the quality is not as good and you only get 2%. A even shorter term wish would have been buying more of a Blue Chip stock 15 days ago that was paying over 7% dividend and has gone up 9% and is still paying 6.6%. (I've mostly done well buying stocks and seeing profits, but am not always good at selling.)

The renewal discount for Ikon is only for this year $599/$749/$799 for Base/Base with Aspen and Jackson/Full (without renewal is $699/$849/$999). So if I bought full now for $799 and things don't look good for traveling to Aspen in Feb, I would defer until Spring 2021, assuming you could ski Mammoth and Squaw and maybe Bachelor starting in April with the following year's pass, or following winter. It gets complicated as the upcoming season is the one where I would want to pay extra for Aspen and if I didn't go I would have $799 credits and next year's Base pass, assuming a $50 increase would be $749 (corrected as discount would most likely go away) and $50 of our deferred $ would most likely go to waste. Or to put it another way, for the price of next winters Full pass, if we defer, we would only get a Base pass the following season.

While writing this I saw Ikon has changed their terms. Instead of being able to defer an unused pass from Sept. 10 to Dec. 10, you can now defer unused pass through April 11. They have also added Adventure Assurance to try handle Covid-19 closures. See https://www.ikonpass.com/en/adventure-assurance for details and there is also a link to examples of how the following would work.

CHOOSE ALL DESTINATIONS
If any eligible Ikon Pass destination closes due to COVID-19 for 1 day, all days or anywhere in between, between December 10, 2020 and April 11, 2021, you will receive a proportional credit based on the percentage of those days closed during that time period. Your credit will be applied automatically to any 21/22 Ikon Pass.

CHOOSE ONE ELIGIBLE DESTINATION
If the one eligible pass destination you select is closed at least 7 consecutive days or 21 total days between Dec 10, 2020 and April 11, 2021 due to COVID-19, you will receive a credit based on the percentage of those days closed during that time period. The credit can be applied to any 21/22 Ikon Pass.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Sbooker » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:04 pm

Sun Peaks added to Mountain Collective. A smart addition I think.
Western Canada now offers Sun Peaks, Revelstoke, Panorama, Lake Louise and Sunshine. Road trip anyone?
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby baldyskier » Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:32 am

Sbooker wrote:Sun Peaks added to Mountain Collective. A smart addition I think.
Western Canada now offers Sun Peaks, Revelstoke, Panorama, Lake Louise and Sunshine. Road trip anyone?

I like the resorts on the Mountain Collective list for next season. However, I'm having trouble swallowing their paltry offer of about an 11% credit ($50) toward next season for those of us that didn't use our MC pass at all this season, especially when Ikon is offering 100% credit for those in the same boat with a 19/20 Ikon Pass.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:27 pm

baldyskier wrote:...Ikon is offering 100% credit for those in the same boat (unused pass) with a 19/20 Ikon Pass.
Is that posted anywhere? I know I've seen Facebook posts in Ikon Pass groups about it, but wondering if they emailed everyone who didn't use their pass or if it's something you need to know about to get.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby baldyskier » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:18 am

tseeb wrote:
baldyskier wrote:...Ikon is offering 100% credit for those in the same boat (unused pass) with a 19/20 Ikon Pass.
Is that posted anywhere? I know I've seen Facebook posts in Ikon Pass groups about it, but wondering if they emailed everyone who didn't use their pass or if it's something you need to know about to get.

Several people say they have gotten emails from Ikon to this effect. Seems to be only for those who didn't use their pass at all. I read about Base Pass, didn't read far enough to see how higher level passes were handled. Here is a link to Mammoth Mountain Snowman search I did to find the thread:
[url]facebook.com/groups/mammothmountainsnowman/search/?query=ikon&epa=SEARCH_BOX[/url]
facebook.com/groups/mammothmountainsnowman/search/?query=ikon&epa=SEARCH_BOX

(I guess I don't know how to live links. Just copy and paste the latter one.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby tseeb » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:39 am

Google found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comment ... ay_credit/

I’d seen Facebook posts about Ikon passes used zero days rolling over, but you can’t believe everything somebody posts so I was looking for something on Ikon website. This looks like a copy of the email Ikon sent (copied from Snowman group):
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Now the people who only used their Ikon passes 1 or 2 days want a better deal than renewal discount.
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Re: Mountain Collective/Ikon/Epic 20/21.

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:00 am

New Zealand has achieved internal eradication of COVID-19 with no new cases in 17 days.
That means even sports events and concerts with fans are OK.

Can Australia achieve this also?
New cases last exceeded 30 per day on April 19 and they are down to single digits now.
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