Tracking Skiing Stats

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Re: Tracking Skiing Stats

Postby tseeb » Fri May 15, 2020 10:29 am

For those that didn't look at my link above when I skied all 3 Tahoe Vail area on the same day, I had 8.5K at Kirkwood, 7.5K at Heavenly and 13.5 at Northstar for a total of 29.5K. My next two days at Northstar were 34K and 31K.

I looked at EpicMix where I assume Tony Crocker got details on Bob Seto's days where he skied multiple area (and states). I saw the 5th highest points for 2019-20 was Mark E. who exclusively skis Heavenly and skied 3.4M vertical over 77 days (44K average). He had the following days during 'Zoo' week:
12/26/19 55K
12/27 68K
12/28 75K (a Saturday and my son's birthday)
12/29 72.5K
12/30 58K
12/31 71K

The next highest in points who skied exclusively at Heavenly was 1.257M over 51 days (and no. 11 in points). There also was a lady at Northstar who had 2.058M over 83 days and was no. 20 in points. She had many days where she skied around 34K, then skied 42.9K on 3/10. Hopefully she did not pay way more than her pass cost by paying $10-20+/day for parking that did not require a shuttle. It would be interesting to see lift details on some of these EpicMix leaders.
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Re: Tracking Skiing Stats

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat May 16, 2020 10:12 am

If East Bowl is open and groomed you could rack up a lot of vertical on the Gunbarrel chair. Otherwise, I don't see how you can get 70K on Dec. 27-29 given lift lines and slope congestion on Heavenly's upper mountain.

I have a 44,500 day at Mammoth in December, but it was Dec. 18, 2004.
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Re: Tracking Skiing Stats

Postby tseeb » Sat May 16, 2020 12:57 pm

Are you saying EpicMix is wrong? I'm wondering if some of the really high numbers come from people who make sure to get counted by both lifts in places like base of Canyon/Sky chairs and Comet/Dipper chairs. But maybe EpicMix is smart enough to not count different lifts less than 5 minutes apart. I've seen it add a lift when I ski past the lift base without riding it, although much more often EpicMix seems to miss counting my lifts a (which could be because my phone is too close to my pass)

Stagecoach is almost 1500 vertical and 6 min ride and not usually not crowded after opening rush which is usually over in a few minutes, although not that steep and can have a lot of slow traffic. If you did 10 min laps from 8:30-4 that would be 67K. Maybe he knows somebody and gets early rides. I rode Stagecoach at opening on a powder day with somebody who have already been up with patrol.

Sky chair would be a little more efficient, especially is Ellie's is well-covered and groomed, but has lines most of the day. Gunbarrel chair is most efficient with vertical just under 1600' and ride under 4 min, but would be tough for most of us to ski fast all day unless East Bowl was groomed and lowest return from there adds some time and traffic. During Gunbarrel 25 in 2019 somebody skied 46 laps (73K) last year and that is bumps. See https://www.skisignup.com/Race/Results/ ... erpage:100

I came up with a scenario for Bob Seto to ski 4 Vail areas in CO and 3 in CA without a helicopter, but it would require a plane that can fly from Eagle to Truckee in 2 hrs (really only one hr due to time change). Start at Breckenridge at 8:30, ski one run (14 min) and drive (26 min) to Keystone arrive 9:10, ski one run (7 min), drive (43 min) to Vail arrive 10, ski one run (12 min) and drive (18 min) to Beaver Creek arrive 10:30 ski one run (18 min) and drive (32 min) to Eagle airport and take off at 11:30. Arrive Truckee at 12:30, drive to Northstar (13 min) and ski until 1. You'd have 2 hours left for driving and 1 hour for skiing before Kirkwood lifts close at 4. Chair 7 is a little closer to Hwy than Kirkwood's main base and I've seen it run later than 4.

But that is only one quick run at each area, not the 40.7K at Keystone and 10.6K at Heavenly Bob got on 4/7/19. To do that, I think requires a heli to get you from Heavenly to Kirkwood and to standby for the one run on chair 5 there then get you to Northstar (and probaby to Truckee airport). A quick thought on timings would be Heavenly 830-930, Kirkwood 940-950 Northstar 1005-1020, Truckee-Eagle 1030-1330 1Beaver Creek 1400-1415 Vail 1430-1445 Breckenridge 1530-1545 Keystone 1610-2000. While the 15 mins at each area to get to and ride and ski a lift and return to your ride and times between areas are both very short, it is possible.
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Re: Tracking Skiing Stats

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat May 16, 2020 2:30 pm

On both April 6&7 Bob had over 40K at Keystone. At least one if not both of those days he gets those extra 4 hours Keystone is open for night skiing. If Bob flew from CO to CA at night on April 6 to arrange to finish both April 6&7 at Keystone, that's a final touch of dedication.

I think we can presume April 8 started in Colorado and finished in California:
1) April 9 was all in California.
2) April 8 had less vertical than April 6 or 7 and the 40K area was Breck.

I didn't try to map out a day at Heavenly, but I knew Gunbarrel was the most efficient chair and that sometimes East Bowl is groomed. I also find it hard to believe one could avoid lift lines on Sky/Dipper Dec. 27-29. None of this means the whole day was on Gunbarrel, but I would think at least half the day was, logically the first half with fresh grooming.
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Re: Tracking Skiing Stats

Postby tseeb » Sat May 16, 2020 4:02 pm

The lap leader in the Gunbarrel 25 did his 73K in 6 hrs and 5 minutes. The same guy did his first 25 laps (39.7K) in under 3 hrs and 15 min. See https://d368g9lw5ileu7.cloudfront.net/r ... dd9w0f.pdf And somebody who was 64 last year did 25 laps in under 3 hrs and 35 min and quit with 26 laps. Lifts run 7.5 hrs on weekends and holidays and during early up (first Mondays of month this year) for passholders.

I wasn't saying the guy who had 70+K days during 'Zoo' week skied upper 1/3 of mountain at Heavenly (although I have been able to get 7 laps and close to 10K on Sky chair by about 10 AM. I was just wondering if it was possible to double up lift count and almost double up vertical counts by gaming the systems on upper 1/3 in both CA and NV where lifts are close enough to go by sensor for one, then go up other. I'll have to try it.

From my December reports: East Bowl opened on Fri 12/27. Lower Gunbarrel opened 12/29, but not Upper. On 1/1, I reported "Face was very smooth, except for bumped-out entrance, either from lack of traffic or grooming. On Gunbarrel and a lot of lower and mid-level CA, snow was thin."
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Re: Tracking Skiing Stats

Postby tseeb » Wed May 20, 2020 10:12 am

I did a little more looking at EpicMix and some searching and found the following:

1.While you can't see what lifts other people skied by day you can see which pins they earned. The EpicMix leader at Heavenly in 2018-19 received pin for riding Gunbarrel 10 times in one day on 12/27 and for riding Gunbarrel 25 times in the season on 12/28. You can only earn these (virtual) pins once a season so leader rode it at least 10 times the first day you no longer had to download and had a two-day total of at least 25 rides by the end of the 2nd day it was open for skiing. It would be interesting to see if leaders remove lifts they have to download or let them get double-counted. I think both Gunbarrel and Tram can double-count when downloading if you get close enough to sensor. His highest days before Gunbarrel opened for skiing was 59K on 12/21 and 56K a few days earlier.

Pins are required to get points to be on top of leaderboard, on top of skiing a lot of vertical nearly every day they’re open. To get some pins require skiing multiple lifts or multiple areas. Some of the pins require riding less efficient lifts. Some examples are:
Park Party riding Groove lift at Heavenly 5 times in a row.
Space Cadet riding Comet to Dipper to Galaxy at Heavenly.
Lumberjack riding Timberline at Northstar 10 times in a season. This is a slow, mostly Real Estate lift that I’m not sure I’ve ever ridden. Bob Seto rode it 10 times on one of his days there.

2. I also searched to see if there was any more info on the last full season leader besides that he is a painting contractor (from his avatar). He appears to live or have his business between Heavenly’s two NV bases, Boulder and Stagecoach (from NV contractor license).

3. I also found that snowboard leader and 6th overall for 2010-11 wrote a fitness book that includes a chapter on how to maximize EpicMix points and promises "How to easily ride/ski over 2.5 million vertical feet in one winter" which he had over 128 days that season. https://www.amazon.com/Ride-Strong-Fitn ... 1492782580
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