2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:15 am

Tony Crocker wrote:I wanted to use my Club Med Val Thorens credit from 2020 so we will do that from March 27 - April 3.

Club Med's new North America beachfront:
https://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels ... rt-opening
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:46 am

I presume this is on-mountain at Le Massif.

Club Med had resorts at Copper Mt. and Crested Butte in the 80's and 90's. Both have been closed at least 15 years.

It's one thing to attract Brits to Killington. Getting French skiers to Quebec seems a reach to me. And if the Copper and CB locations couldn't attract enough Americans, why will this work in Quebec?
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:58 am

Tony Crocker wrote:Getting French skiers to Quebec seems a reach to me.

I agree from a purely skiing point of view; however, French people are fascinated by Quebec on a cultural level so who knows. Is the goal to sell Club Med to existing customers in France or to a new North American clientele?
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby Tony Crocker » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:09 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:Is the goal to sell Club Med to existing customers in France or to a new North American clientele?

I have no idea but I consider either an uphill battle. During the pandemic Club Med permanently shuttered their Meribel location, which is surely in their wheelhouse but maybe they only need one resort in Trois Vallees.

I'll hazard a guess that Club Med got some significant financial sweeteners to open that location at Le Massif.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:41 pm

Both you and I are fans of the half-board option at Alps resorts -- which is what Club Med offers, along with its other all-in services. I wonder why that format never got more traction in the U.S.?
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:51 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote:Both you and I are fans of the half-board option at Alps resorts -- which is what Club Med offers, along with its other all-in services. I wonder why that format never got more traction in the U.S.?


Hotel food (often big chains) in the US often falls short of restaurant food. A lot of the owner operated places in the Alps (required in Austria) put considerable effort into their dining quality.

Including 5 days guiding is a big attraction of Club Med too.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby ChrisC » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:00 am

jamesdeluxe wrote:
Tony Crocker wrote:Any Euro plans for James yet?

I've instinctively been waiting for a FF-award sale; however, that may not happen as the airlines try to avoid further losses. The goal this season is to go to the Alps at least once/hopefully twice and/or an Indy Pass visit to central Idaho.


I have been seeing lots of low $300s airfares to Geneva, Zurich and Munich. No FF deals - but American seems to permanently have awards around 45k round trip to Europe in winter.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby Tony Crocker » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:35 pm

I didn't see any airfare bargains when I booked our Alps trip a few weeks ago. But maybe that's because the dates are March 20 - Apr. 29.

And Delta wants at least 70K miles for award travel to Europe, so that's what we did.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby jamesdeluxe » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:27 am

ChrisC wrote:No FF deals - but American seems to permanently have awards around 45k round trip to Europe in winter.

It's great that AA has significantly lower FF-award levels. Unfortunately, I've been trying for years to use about 120K AAdvantage miles and there's always some challenge involved. In a search a few minutes ago, it appears that AA no longer has nonstops to Zurich or Geneva between EWR or JFK, which is odd given that JFK has been a major AA international hub for as long as I can remember. The only options involve changing planes at LHR, which adds several hundreds of dollars in airport fees and the unpleasantness of changing terminals at Heathrow.

Oddly enough, AA has convenient nonstops with only $65 in airport fees to ZRH from Philadelphia; however, PHL is 90 minutes from where I live.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:47 am

ChrisC wrote:American seems to permanently have awards around 45k round trip to Europe in winter.
jamesdeluxe wrote:The only options involve changing planes at LHR, which adds several hundreds of dollars in airport fees and the unpleasantness of changing terminals at Heathrow.

As mentioned in the other thread, I cashed in a 45K roundtrip to Toulouse on AA through LHR with only $110 in airport fees; however, it's going to require a bit of domestic schlepping: a train to the Philadelphia airport for the departing flight and returning to JFK (about 45 minutes away by car on the weekend). Oh well, better than paying the $1,100 fare.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:57 pm

I usually used
jamesdeluxe wrote:a train to the Philadelphia airport

when going home from college. I don't think EWR was hooked up to the train system in the 1970's, so at least one bus connection was required.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby Marc_C » Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:18 pm

I grew up in New Jersey about 20 minutes south of EWR. The attitude then outside of NYC was “what’s a train?”
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Re: 2021-22 Season Plans & Delta Variant

Postby flyover » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:34 am

Tony Crocker wrote: I don't think EWR was hooked up to the train system in the 1970's, so at least one bus connection was required.


Correct.

Marc_C wrote:I grew up in New Jersey about 20 minutes south of EWR. The attitude then outside of NYC was “what’s a train?”


Weird.

I grew up about 20 minutes west of EWR. Seemingly half the town commuted by train into the city every weekday morning via the Hoboken PATH. I took the train to get to school every day in junior high and high school. As a free-range child of the early 80s, the train was how I managed to get into lots of trouble in the city.
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