Greek Peak Summer 2021

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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:57 am

EMSC wrote:
jamesdeluxe wrote:is to breathe fresh, unsmoky air.


Nah, its the super muggy, humid air that I keep coming back for. It's so hard to truly cover yourself in sweat out west without maximum effort, yet so easy in the East.

+1 That week in Florida clearing out everything in Liz' mother's house was Exhibit A. When it was finally time to leave ~9PM I went into the back yard, removed all clothing (which was as wet as if I had been in the ocean), stood under a garden hose for awhile and finally put on clean clothes immediately before hitting the road. We didn't want to use the showers in the house as we had just cleaned them for the incoming tenant.
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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby ChrisC » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:45 am

It's too bad Greek Peak cannot properly execute a summer business with hotels and activities. It seems like they could run the mountain like a Camelback or Seven Springs - which seem to be successful year-round on similar-sized mountains - but closer to population centers.

I would love to ski the mountain again - especially looking at all the trails/glades they have cut between the old runs I was familiar with in the 1980s. (Interesting Greek Peak removed Ronnie's Run after a ski patrol death in the Andes.....guess out of sight, out of mind....goodbye memorial).

Greek Peak 1979

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Greek Peak Today. Lots of new trails. No more T-bars. No more skiing under the power lines of Electra.

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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby jamesdeluxe » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:14 pm

ChrisC wrote:I would love to ski the mountain again - especially looking at all the trails/glades they have cut between the old runs I was familiar with in the 1980s.

I suspect this would be primarily a nostalgia visit compared with the terrain you usually ski. :-k
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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby ChrisC » Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:40 pm

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ChrisC wrote:I would love to ski the mountain again - especially looking at all the trails/glades they have cut between the old runs I was familiar with in the 1980s.

I suspect this would be primarily a nostalgia visit compared with the terrain you usually ski. :-k


What is best but some nostalgia?

I was so scared there at Greek Peak at times. Olympian... I sat and cried at the headwall

My family - my mother's family - is all from Binghamton - and I was lucky that I got to ski. Skiing was something incredibly elite.....doctor's or dentist's sons. We barely made it.

Me: I was lucky to go to Dartmouth....and Berkeley and Stanford...... I was lucky to work at PayPal in 2000...I was really lucky to have stock options..... and use it to just invest everything in Telluride.
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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby jamesdeluxe » Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:02 pm

ChrisC wrote:My family - my mother's family - is all from Binghamton - and I was lucky that I got to ski. I was lucky that I got to ski. Skiing was something incredibly elite.....doctors or dentist's sons.

Same deal for me west of Syracuse. Skiing back then was only for rich kids -- I played hockey.
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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:14 pm

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ChrisC wrote:My family - my mother's family - is all from Binghamton - and I was lucky that I got to ski. I was lucky that I got to ski. Skiing was something incredibly elite.....doctors or dentist's sons.

Same deal for me west of Syracuse. Skiing back then was only for rich kids -- I played hockey.

Hockey is not a cheap sport either. But it's probably cheaper in places like upstate NY where you can use naturally frozen ponds as well as indoor rinks.

Yes skiing was even more an elitist sport in its formative years, which surely means at least through the 1950's. Which brings to mind the question, "When if ever was skiing not an elitist sport in the US?"

I suspected the answer based upon the data set of Mammoth skier visits, which more than tripled between two excellent (for apples-to-apples comparison) seasons in 1968-69 and 1977-78. FYI Mammoth's skier visits 2015-16 to 2018-19 averaged about the same as in 1977-78.

A cursory Google search led here.
There was approximately a 40 percent increase in participation in skiing in 1979 over 1976, on top of an approximately 40 percent increase between 1973 and 1976. This has brought current participation in this sport of snow skiing to a level of 6.8 percent among individuals, which projects to approximately 14.6 million skiers.


That report is an interesting read, and reminds me of one of the ski guidebooks I bought in 1979.
Collectively as many as 27.1 million people could be skiing in the future.

Rapid growth of western ski terrain slowed in the 1970's, so authors like these predicted overcrowding and capacity limits. The Kottke Report has tracked US skier visits since 1978-79, when it was 50.2 million. Last year was 59.1 million and the record in 2007-08 and 2010-11 was 60.5 million. To no surprise with the advent of high speed lifts, I can tell you that the worst lift lines I've experienced by far were those in the late 1970's.

But what really happened since 1980? The current active skier/snowboarder population is estimated at 9-10 million, 3-4% of the US population. So the percentage of the US population that skis has fallen back to about what it was in 1973. The "popular era of skiing" with consistent growth looks to me to be maybe late 1960's to mid-1980's. US skier visits were flat from the mid-1980's to late 1990's.

All of this tells me that I'm a typical US skier in some ways. My first time was in 1976, right in the middle of that explosive boom period, and age 23 is in a common starting age range too. The people in my age cohort who started as kids were mostly an elite group.
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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby jamesdeluxe » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:19 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:Hockey is not a cheap sport either.

Correct, but less expensive than skiing back then and even if it wasn't actually the case, that was the widespread perception. When I moved to Boulder in the early 80s and friends would go on weekend or holiday ski trips, I naturally assumed that it was beyond my pay grade and never considered going along.
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Re: Greek Peak Summer 2021

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:42 pm

jamesdeluxe wrote: When I moved to Boulder in the early 80s and friends would go on weekend or holiday ski trips, I naturally assumed that it was beyond my pay grade and never considered going along.

That reference also mentioned that in the 1970's 44% of skier visits were in the Northeast (now it's under 25%). What that tells me is that skiing was much more a local daytrip/weekend sport then. I know that was true when I started out because the financial commitment as a beginner to try skiing back then was quite modest if you weren't traveling and paying for hotels and restaurants. In those late 1970's seasons the proportion of my skiing that was local SoCal daytrip was 48% and the rest was at Mammoth aside from a couple of days at Tahoe. By contrast the SoCal proportion of my skiing from 2011-2019 was 3%. So no I don't think learning to ski living in Boulder in the early 80's was an expensive proposition. That's where and when Liz first skied while taking a year off during college.
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