2018/19 No Trams for Chamonix / Grands Montets

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2018/19 No Trams for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby ChrisC » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:06 am

I was reading some Chamonix snow reports, and it looks like Grands Montets was never able to recover from the fire. Like skiing Jackson Hole without the tram.

https://snowbrains.com/chamonix-area-ca ... fire-open/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

The took the trams off the list on the snow report and put a big yellow construction sign on the trams on the live map.

https://www.chamonix.com/snow-report,89,en.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

And some up to date info:

https://www.facebook.com/16302577205759 ... 31?sfns=cl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby jamesdeluxe » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:47 am

ChrisC wrote:Like skiing Jackson Hole without the tram.

Never been to Chamonix so I can't comment on the comparison; however, I'd argue that JH is very skiable without using the tram. Certainly a lot less efficient to do T2B laps, but still.
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby Tony Crocker » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:29 pm

This is much worse than Jackson without its tram. On my best ski day at Jackson I never set foot on the tram because there was powder to be had everywhere and I didn't want to waste 45+ minutes in a tram line. The only terrain you lose without it is Rendezvous Bowl. I skied the Hobacks twice on that day from Sublette. http://bestsnow.net/TRsFTO/20060129Jackson.html

The Lognan fire took out two trams, an access tram from the valley floor and the 4,000 vertical tram to the highest point of Grands-Montets. The lower Plan Joran gondola can probably handle the access traffic adequately. But the upper tram is the only access to the Argentiere Glacier. On the other side, the upper Bochard gondola rises 2,700 vertical.

So I'm glad Liz got to experience Grands-Montets in full operation last January. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12572
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby EMSC » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:25 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:This is much worse than Jackson without its tram.


Agreed. The upper tram was/is a huge part of the Grand Montets. The glacier side runs off the upper tram are spectacular. Reference this pics-post on my TR there in 2012 for Tram pics.

http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10070&p=64793&hilit=grand+montets#p64721

Super sad to hear of the fire and resulting damage. Seems like a hugely reduced season for them. Hopefully they were insured.
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby ChrisC » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:30 pm

Tony Crocker wrote:This is much worse than Jackson without its tram.


Agree too. I guess Kicking Horse with its gondola offline would be worse? :-(

I was lucky to ski Grands Montets last April and able to lap the tram without lines. (Never understood how the tram reservations worked?) Definitely one of the most iconic lifts in the Alps/World - along with the Aiguille du Midi cable car.

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Ski Tracks Map - Turned it on a little late.


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Lower Grands Montets Station


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Upper Grands Montets Station


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Argentiere Glacier


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Summit Station


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Afternoon Light on Grands Montets - Drive to Zermatt


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Alpenglow on Grands Montets - Drive Back from Zermatt
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby ChrisC » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:01 pm

I was wondering how the tram restoration project at Chamonix was going - but it does not look so good. This is going to be a multi-year effort (maybe 2023?, 2024?).

Here is the only article I could find that could shed some light on the enormity of the project

https://www.snow-forecast.com/whiteroom ... t-3-years/
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby ChrisC » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:29 am

Interesting update for the Les Grands Montets trams - 3 more years.

https://www.wheretoskiandsnowboard.com/ ... s-montets/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“We now hear that the lift company ‘hopes’ to have the replacement completed three years from now – though it’s worth noting that ‘the precise timeline is still dependent on negotiations with one of the three insurance companies involved’. Hmmm.“

“The project to replace the lifts, which will involve a complete redesign of the Lognan area, has been placed in the hands of the famous Italian architect Renzo Piano, designer of the Shard in London; he also had a hand in the Georges Pompidou Centre in Paris. So no expense spared; “

“The new lift from the valley will be another cable car, with its base station ‘in a better location for public transport users, to include a direct access to and from Argentière village and train station’. “

“The upper lift will ‘probably’ be a 3-cable gondola; but don’t get too excited about an end to the queues – we’re told that the hourly capacity will be only ‘moderately’ increased, according to the lift company. (This may be eco-political spin, though: other sources suggest the new lift will carry 1800/hour, more than double the very modest 700/hour capacity of the old lift.)”

Sounds like an S3 super gondola would be a great addition - eliminating reservations in mid winter!
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Re: 2018/19 Not the Year for Chamonix / Grands Montets

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:33 pm

I'm assuming an S3 gondola would be like the 20-24 person capacity gondolas we used out of the Bellevarde and Avoriaz base areas.

This is a long time without that lift at Grands Montets. Jackson was only 2 years without its tram and it installed a temporary lift in Rendezvous Bowl then. FYI Jackson's tram will run at 25% capacity in 2020-21.
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