Northeast Local(?) Ski Options

Harvey

Administrator
Staff member
nearly all of it is on weekends

Hold my beer. New day a dawning.

Plattekill is secret sauce. Only open on weekends, never crowded. If you live in NY Metro, work a full time 9-5, and don't have a Plattekill pass, you're nuts IMO.

I'm probably the only skier in America who'd rather drive to be first in line at Plattekill on a weekend powder day, then fly to Alta.
 
If you live in NY Metro, work a full time 9-5, and don't have a Plattekill pass, you're nuts IMO.
I'm sure this has been covered on NYSB, but remind me what the break-even point is? Eight or nine days? That's a lot for a weekends-only joint unless they have a significant partner component.
 
I'm sure this has been covered on NYSB, but remind me what the break-even point is? Eight or nine days?

I have no idea. I don't think that way. I don't remember the cost of a pass, and I don't know the cost of a day ticket.

What was your break even point on your wedding day? When did the joy you get from your marriage exceed the cost of the ceremony? I'm kidding, it's a ridiculous question.
 
I'm sure this has been covered on NYSB, but remind me what the break-even point is? Eight or nine days?

It looks like a Platekill pass costs $800-825. Its partner resorts are not really impressive and are weirdly geographically located for a metro NYC-focused ski area.

I will not spend an equivalent amount on an IKON pass for Palisades Tahoe because I like more diversity in terrain. NYC -> Platekill is almost the same drive as SFO -> Palisades. And terrain/snow-wise, there is no comparison. And a 7-day-a-week / 6-month calendar. I just buy an IKON 3 or 4-day pass.

The Berkshires offer a similar package to Platekill—I am not sure why people are only focused on Hunter, Windham, and Belleayre. For example, Catamount has great, uncrowded skiing with old-school terrain. Jiminy Peak is steep, with dependable snowmaking and some old-school glades.

Both can generally offer reliable pre-Christmas skiing. In the 1980s, I always chose to go to these places over Platekill, often in mid-season, for drive time, terrain open, and low competition on powder days.

Platekill was more of a once-in-a-blue-moon ski area when it snowed, and there is no melt/freeze yet. However, lifts and snowmaking look improved.

I am glad the new owners are making it more successful
 
Last edited:
In 21/22 and 22/23 I paid full ride at Plattekill. In 21/22 I think I paid the second deadline price.

I don't know how much for a pass $7 hundred something. Day tickets were in the 80s?

I would bet that both of those years I didn't 'break even.'
 
I don't know how much for a pass $7 hundred something.
So that pass doesn't make a lot of sense considering that surely Harvey spends more weekends at his place near Gore. I'm guessing Plattekill is for daytrips when Harvey can only ski one day of the weekend. I would think anyone would make a cost/benefit estimate before buying a season pass, even though we can't always get it right. I'm just fine with Baldy day tickets as a senior because they are usually in the $50 range.

I had Mammoth MVP passes from 2006-2014, averaging 12 days. Break even was 7 and three of the years I had less than that. 2015 was a bad year with only 4 days, but that was the season Mammoth joined Mountain Collective, so for an extra $100 I got half price for 8 days at Alta/Snowbird. The last three seasons of MVP Premier I averaged 20 days at Mammoth and 7 half price Mountain Collective days. I've averaged 27 days on Ikon since 2019.
The Berkshires offer a similar package to Platekill—I am not sure why people are only focused on Hunter, Windham, and Belleayre. For example, Catamount has great, uncrowded skiing with old-school terrain. Jiminy Peak is steep, with dependable snowmaking and some old-school glades.
Back in the 1970's one of the ski guidebooks I bought was by I. William Berry, who was based in NYC. He strongly preferred the Berkshires to the Catskills. He mentioned going there frequently during gas crisis seasons when Vermont was out of range for a round trip gas tank.
 
Last edited:
So that pass doesn't make a lot of sense considering that surely Harvey spends more weekends at his place near Gore. I'm guessing Plattekill is for daytrips when Harvey can only ski one day of the weekend. I would think anyone would make cost/benefit estimate before buying a season pass, even though we can't always get it right.

The pass makes sense for me. I don't do the math.

A normal season for me is maybe 8 days at Plattekill and 10 days at Gore. Some weekends, I drive Sat AM to Plattekill and then to Gore for Sunday, or the reverse. Gore pass, gets me Belle, and Whiteface. I'll usually ski 2-3 days at Belle and 0-1 at Whiteface. Belle's snowmaking has become incredible in the last five years (best in NY) so I use those days early and late.
 
Belle's snowmaking has become incredible in the last five years (best in NY) so I use those days early and late.
When I used to go there a lot up through 2013, upstate NYers would always complain about how Belle was a perennial money loser and that it should be cut loose from state ownership. I always said that it just needed some investments. That's exactly what happened after ORDA took it over and as Harv mentioned, Belle now has serious snowmaking power for these climate-challenged times.
 
So why are the Berkshires off your radar (James, Harvey)? Google maps show drive time East Orange, NJ to both Plattekill and Jiminy as just under 3 hours, with Catamount being half an hour closer. James' list shows zero days lifetime in Massachusetts!
 
Last edited:
For me the Berks:

• Are a bit farther out of the way on the route from NJ to the Adk.
• Have lower base elevations and are generally warmer, getting more rain and less snow.

Two other big factors:

There is no place like Plattekill.
Yes, the tail does wag the dog. I tend to choose NY. VT second.
 
So why are the Berkshires off your radar (James, Harvey)?
Back in the early/mid 00s when I used to drive up I-91 to Vermont and Quebec, I tried several times to stop at Berkshire East (considered the best hill in the region) along the way but it never happened.
 
Back in the early/mid 00s when I used to drive up I-91 to Vermont and Quebec, I tried several times to stop at Berkshire East (considered the best hill in the region) along the way but it never happened.

I never would day trip to Berkshire East from NYC metro (Westchester). It did not have good ownership till more recently and stagnated for a while.

I thought Jiminy Peak was a bit steeper and varied, and 45 minutes closer (2:10 drive) And the Fairbanks family have run it well for decades.

Catamount (1:35 drive) was even easier to get to.

Some other areas:
Butternut is aesthetically beautiful, but rather unchallenging- a bit like Okemo. Made a lot of snow on relatively flat trails.

Brodie unfortunately was shut down despite its large size, but mellow terrain. (Too much required investment for smaller skier base?)


To do Berkshire East, you might as well go to Mt Snow VT - practically same drive time (maybe 15-20 min more) And Mt Snow has a few legitimate steeps on its north face - Ripcord, Jaws of Death, etc. plus a lot of intermediate terrain.

Berkshire East does not have a great location for NYC or Boston skiers. VT resorts are almost equivalent drive time and are larger plus more snow. It is more of a Hartford/Springfield mountain.
 
To do Berkshire East, you might as well go to Mt Snow VT - practically same drive time (maybe 15-20 min more)
That was my thinking back then when the destination was northern VT or the Eastern Townships except instead of Mt Snow, I stopped along the way at Magic and Ascutney -- two fun ski areas that were (one of them still is) threatening to transition into the land of NELSAP.
 
So why are the Berkshires off your radar (James, Harvey)? Google maps show drive time East Orange, NJ to both Plattekill and Jiminy as just under 3 hours, with Catamount being half an hour closer. James' list shows zero days lifetime in Massachusetts!
simple...
1 the cats are bigger
2 the berks are on the other side of the river...
 
upstate NYers would always complain about how Belle was a perennial money loser and that it should be cut loose from state ownership. I always said that it just needed some investments. That's exactly what happened after ORDA took it over
Do you have any idea just how much ORDA loses each year? It's a massive number of tax $$ that are blown through by them each and every year. If I still lived in NY I would much rather stop that tax $$ flow and lower the tax bills. Then everyone else complains about how the private ski areas aren't keeping up with that kind of ridiculous spend on new lifts and snowmaking. It's nuts.

If the terrain and location and etc.. are good enough, a private owner would snap it up and operate it. NYS should not be in the ski business.
 
NYS should not be in the ski business.
This has been debated dozens of times on Harv's forum. Similar to trying to change the Supreme Court format -- a good idea but it'll never happen -- so you'll need to come to terms with NYS operating ski areas.
 
upstate NYers would always complain about how Belle was a perennial money loser and that it should be cut loose from state ownership.

This was really one guy. I'll grant that he spoke quite loudly.

Do you have any idea just how much ORDA loses each year?

It's not too hard to guess.

Then everyone else complains about how the private ski areas aren't keeping up

I haven't heard anyone complain. Unless 'everyone else' means the ski area owners.

you'll need to come to terms with NYS operating ski areas.

Living in Colorado, he can just ignore it, right?
 
Back
Top