3 Vallées, FR: 03/12/23

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Following a number of weather-related challenges on my second visit to France this season (only one really good day amongst the first four and I sat out Day 5 due to a storm), I finally got a measure of payback on Days 6 and 7 at a place that is definitely not a "James ski area." That said; even though I put a heavy emphasis on under-the-radar ski areas that most people (including many well-travelled Euros) haven't heard of, I don't rule out visiting mainstream mega resorts in the Alps. As has been covered at length in other threads, they really are a different beast from what's available in North America and over the years, I've skied at a number of them including St. Moritz, La Clusaz, the Jungfrau, Ischgl, Saalbach, the Skiwelt, the Aletsch Arena, and Kitzbühel, as well as two visits each to Megève, Portes du Soleil, and the Arlberg.

My plan was to spend five nights based in Avrieux at the entrance to the Haute Maurienne valley -- so small, it doesn't appear on the map below (it's basically where Villarodin is, just east of Modane) From there, you have access to five local ski areas: Valfréjus, Aussois, La Norma, Bonneval sur Arc, and Val Cenis, within 45 minutes. The original expectation was to ski most if not all of them; however, in the end I only made it to the last two.

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Local tourism efforts in the Haute Maurienne seem to push visitors toward the locals areas (as they should); however, it was interesting to note virtually no mention of the monster next-door, Les Trois Vallées, which continues to enjoy the title of the largest ski resort in the world. From Avrieux, it's an easy 20-minute drive along the valley road -- no need for chains, snow tires, or four-wheel drive to deal with high-mountain passes -- to reach the back-door access point, the village of Orelle with a free parking lot. From there, you have two different uphill options covering almost 6,000 vertical feet to the top of Val Thorens. At first, I didn't understand why they don't make more of a point about Avrieux or Modane's proximity to the 3V (with a fraction of the lodging costs) however, part of the reason may be that the last thing the resort needs is more publicity!

Even though it's been called the Trois Vallées for something like 50 years, since the opening of the Orelle gondola in 1996 it could've been accurately renamed The Four Valleys; however, that would nullify decades of brand building (in addition to the fact that there's already a Four Valleys resort in Switzerland, i.e. Verbier). As we've discussed in years past, Euros measure the size of ski areas according to the length of marked pistes -- something that makes American skiers bristle. 3V continues to use a brochure quote of 600km even after the 2014 Pistegate scandal, where a German cartographer did his own measurement and came up with "only" 495km, a 22% exaggeration. Regardless, it's mind-boggingly huge.

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While waiting for crews to secure the upper parts of Val Thorens, we did a handful of warmup runs in knee-deep powder on the south-facing Orelle sector with 2,800 feet of vertical. Finally at 10:30, the ropes dropped. Here's one of the crossover points at 3000m, where everyone stops at the edge for a first look at one of the three valleys:
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Scanning from left to right, it's 3,200 verts to the lodging below:
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Val Thorens was reporting two feet of snow at elevation over the previous 24 hours. It skied more like 18 inches but whatever. With the 4/5 avalanche rating and being solo, I stuck to obvious low-hanging fruit. For my first run, I followed these guys with a guide not far from the vantage point above:
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Further down (you can see rocks peeking out) was an additional untracked pitch:
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On the other side of the ridge to the left is Les Menuires:
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By late morning, I crossed to the middle valley, where the new snow felt closer to a foot and seemed to be quickly trampled onpiste:
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Just to the looker's right of the Grange chair at the top of the St. Martin de Belleville sector, I did this very low-angle line three times in a row -- it extended another ten turns below the bottom right corner:
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Because I was alone, lunches on both of my days at 3V were a quick vegetarian panini at an outdoor shack. In November 2013, I got these goggles at a French ski marketing event in Manhattan and have worn them every sunny day since. Almost ten years later, they finally made it home:
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By 2 pm, I headed back toward Val Thorens because parts of Meribel were getting a bit sun-affected.
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At 2300m, Val Thorens is supposed to be the highest resort in western Europe. Signs said that it'll be operating during this below-average season daily until May 8 and weekends thereafter. Being north-facing and with seven lifts that go at least to 3000m, the snow quality/preservation is as good as it gets. Obviously, it's all above-treeline so not the place to be during storms and I bet that during the beginning and end of the season a lot of people from Courchevel and Meribel hightail it over there for the far better conditions.

Despite the not very picturesque exterior of many lodgings, Val Thorens has a high-energy, Austrian-style après ski atmosphere:
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From "odd things Americans notice at Euro ski areas" -- this is the ticket area at the Orelle gondola on Sunday morning with a maybe ten-minute wait (I'm sure it could be three or four times that during peak periods). Notice anything missing? How about a ski rack! Instead, most people just put their planks on the ground.
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I’ve often thought Modane might be a good base for skiing that area. I assume you had to drive either through it or close to it?
Any impressions?
 
I’ve often thought Modane might be a good base for skiing that area. I assume you had to drive either through it or close to it?
Modane was five minutes from my lodging. Irove through it on the way to/from Orelle and stopped twice at the Casino supermarket. I chose Avrieux because I'm a cheapskate and got a great deal.
 
Does it have that nice village vibe? A few restaurants and pubs? Or too dominated by the train line?
To be honest, I only drove on the main street, which parallels the train line and appeared to have a number of restaurants/pubs. Modane felt similar in size to a small mountain city like Briançon, if you've been there?

What's pleasant is how you take the autoroute pretty much the entire way between GVA and Modane -- not even two hours door to door -- and as mentioned above, you won't even need snow tyres/tires. Less pleasant is the amount of tolls you'll pay, almost €50 roundtrip! I closed my eyes and thought of England.
 
Even though it's been called the Trois Vallées for something like 50 years, since the opening of the Orelle gondola in 1996 it could've been accurately renamed The Four Valleys; however, that would nullify decades of brand building
Liz and I debated whether we should count Orelle as a separate ski area and decided against it. It certainly qualifies on scale and with a defined boundary, but I think the marketing spin has been successful so no one thinks of it that way.
I bet that during the beginning and end of the season a lot of people from Courchevel and Meribel hightail it over there for the far better conditions.
That was presumably the scenario when we were there last spring, arriving near the end of a 3+ week dry spell. When we got a storm the rain/snow line was 1,700 meters and the only time I skied lower than that was following the guide in the fog at Courchevel.
Being north-facing and with seven lifts that go at least to 3000m, the snow quality/preservation is as good as it gets.
Not quite Zermatt or Val d'Isere in that department, but close. Before I skied Trois Vallees, I thought as in the Monterosa it would be more efficient to be based in the middle valley. But in addition to the higher altitude the terrain at Val Thorens is much more expansive so I'm very glad we were based there.

Did you get up the Mont Vallon gondola, the one lift at Meribel/Mottaret that gets up to 9,700 feet?
With the 4/5 avalanche rating and being solo, I stuck to obvious low-hanging fruit.
Yes. Zermatt and Val d'Isere are much riskier for avalanches and both had them during our powder filled weeks in Feb. 2014 and Apr. 2018. The guiding was excellent at Val Thorens for navigation and I'm quite confident I could find my way around on my own. That is also true at Val d'Isere but where you could go with that 4/5 avalanche rating would be more restricted.
 
Looks like a great day at Val Thorens! Score!

It's a very rocky mountain that requires a decent base for off-piste skiing. I injured a collarbone here in 2006 on a rock.

Meribel typically does not ski that well outside of the lifts around Mt. Vallon. However, Courchevel has a lot of north-facing terrain, competent grooming, and good off-piste.

The St. Martin de Belleville sector skis quite well since it's mostly grassy meadows.

I stayed in Mottaret in late January 2006 - which I liked since you were about 2 lift rides from almost any part of the 3 Vallees. In mid/late April 2018, I stayed in Val Thorens for obvious reasons.
 
For Day 7 of the trip, a second pass at the Three Valleys, I was so adamant about seeing as much as possible that I didn't stop to take many photos. Once again, I started with three warmup runs in the Orelle sector, where 4-5 inches had fallen overnight after they'd groomed so it was nice and soft. Crossing into Val Thorens, I did lots of short offpiste detours wherever there were few or no tracks:
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[Val Thorens] is a very rocky mountain that requires a decent base for off-piste skiing.
Despite the comparative low-tide conditions this season, I didn't hit anything offpiste although that may not have been the case if I'd been skiing steeper terrain.

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By late morning, I headed into Meribel, where a bracing taste of the good, bad, and ugly of mega resorts was waiting for me. Four or five times, I ended up on claustrophobic autobahn connector trails that felt like the Cross-Bronx Expressway at rush hour -- people of all abilities trying to get from one point to another without colliding.
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There was a hideous mob in front of the Mont Vallon gondola, easily a couple hundred people. I was going to bail because, well, I hate crowds; however, Fraser had included the two red runs off that peak as amongst the best in the 3V so I stuck it out and finally got on the lift in 15 minutes. At the top was a huge throng of people and the first ten turns were a scene from industrial-ski-area hell, but just as quickly everyone disappeared and I skied the last 2,700 verts in complete solitude right to the bottom.
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A perfunctory stop on the way back to my car:
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In short: two days bell-to-bell using Orelle as my access point gave me a basic though hardly extensive overview of Val Thorens, a superficial pass at Meribel, and a quick look at Les Menuires and St. Martin de Belleville. I didn't make it to Courchevel. Over the entire two days, I only waited for three lifts -- all the others were ski-on. Funny how based on the trail map, I had expected the lifts to be literally one on top of the other in parallel; however, that isn't the case. There's lots of space between them.

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Post 3V
When I bought some used Volant Chubbs on eBay in the early 00s, the seller threw these vintage Rossignol Stratix skis into the box, presumably to get them out of his basement or garage. Can anyone ID what year they are? This link says early/mid-60s. The simple graphics were so visually pleasing that I couldn't landfill them so they became a coat rack in our mud room.
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Fast forward 20 years to last Monday when I stayed in a motel along the highway in Annecy. What were the chances of this -- a homemade Rossignol Stratix coat rack in my room!
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Arriving in Newark for my customary quick run through immigration and baggage claim, I glimpsed something interesting through the windows:
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A United 737 in a Continental livery from the late 1940s/early 50s. Airline geeks live for this. :eusa-dance:
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Liz and I debated whether we should count Orelle as a separate ski area and decided against it. It certainly qualifies on scale and with a defined boundary, but I think the marketing spin has been successful so no one thinks of it that way.

That was presumably the scenario when we were there last spring, arriving near the end of a 3+ week dry spell. When we got a storm the rain/snow line was 1,700 meters and the only time I skied lower than that was following the guide in the fog at Courchevel.

Not quite Zermatt or Val d'Isere in that department, but close. Before I skied Trois Vallees, I thought as in the Monterosa it would be more efficient to be based in the middle valley. But in addition to the higher altitude the terrain at Val Thorens is much more expansive so I'm very glad we were based there.

Did you get up the Mont Vallon gondola, the one lift at Meribel/Mottaret that gets up to 9,700 feet?

Yes. Zermatt and Val d'Isere are much riskier for avalanches and both had them during our powder filled weeks in Feb. 2014 and Apr. 2018. The guiding was excellent at Val Thorens for navigation and I'm quite confident I could find my way around on my own. That is also true at Val d'Isere but where you could go with that 4/5 avalanche rating would be more restricted.
Purely anecdotally I would say there are more avalanche incidents in Val Thorens than in Zermatt. Regarding whether you should count Orelle as a resort, a journalist friend of mine, actually you have met him Tony (Arnie Wilson), who has skied nearly 800 resorts,defines them by whether or not they have a ski school. But even that is problematic. Interesting topic. The 4 Courchevels, for example, all function as independent resorts but would you count all 4? Probably not.
 
Regarding whether you should count Orelle as a resort
I don't think that anyone considers Orelle a separate resort; it's a fourth sector in addition to Val Thorens, Meribel, and Courchevel. My question was whether the Three Valleys could be called the Four Valleys since Orelle was added and I'd say yes.

In the US, we differentiate between a ski area (a lift-served mountain) and a resort. For us, the latter has an established bed base at the bottom, food/beverage services, maybe a ski school, etc. In my experience, our British friends also tend to use the word "resort" for what we'd call a ski area.
 
Don't get me started between tram/cable car.....groomer/piste.....gondola/bubble.

My UK friends would listen to American ski terms and almost go to another base. Try telling a Brit ... "Yeah....We will take the Val Veny tram to a groomer to the Zerotta quad and then do the Plan Chercruit Gondola. Got it?"

Their second favorite thing to do was "let the American pronounce French words" F-them.

I spoke to all the Italians in Spanish.
 
I checked in with Val Thorens to see how it's doing conditions-wise in early May and the answer is: very well. Like many parts of the Alps, the 3V scored a number of good-sized storms in April. They're reporting a base of five feet at 2300m and seven feet at the 3200m summit, 23 lifts operating, and 61 out of 84 runs open.

Here's a current webcam. Final day is Monday (which was scheduled long in advance) so another case of closing due to lack of revenue rather than lack of snow.

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As confirmed in the recent ski town thread, superlative lists ("Best" or "Top 10") are usually clickbait in which the only positive deliverable is that they spark spirited conversations. Here's the 2025 winner from the London-based World Ski Awards.


I had a great time skiing a couple half days at Val Thorens noted above and would certainly put its terrain, conditions, and lift network near the top of an Alps destination-ski-area list; however, I wonder how it racked up a tenth "best" award in 13 years. The Travel and Leisure article's subheadline says:
Val Thorens wins big at the World Ski Awards for its unmatched terrain, luxury stays, and lift infrastructure.

The awards' webpage clarifies further:
The World Ski Awards crowned Val Thorens the best thanks to its resort facilities, accommodation options, and "setting the global standard for lift infrastructure."

And here's who determined the outcome:
Votes are cast by professionals working within the ski industry: senior executives, travel buyers, tour operators, agents, media, and the public.
 
An overall best is in the eye of the beholder. But a knowledgeable reader should be able to look at a well constructed clickbait list and say, "Yes, I understand the logic of that particular choice and it's reasonable." Val Thorens passes that test IMHO.

In my case you all know that I'm going to rate snow reliability heavily. I believe Val Thorens is probably second to Val d'Isere in the Alps in that department.

In post #7 above I said that Val Thorens is not as good as Zermatt for snow preservation. But for overall reliability Val Thorens is much better due to higher snowfall and not quite as rocky terrain being needing a ton of snow to get covered.

James' Vorarlberg favorites have the opposite problem. They are #1 for snowfall but the low altitude means mediocre snow preservation.
 
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An overall best is in the eye of the beholder. But a knowledgeable reader should be able to look at a well constructed clickbait list and say, "Yes, I understand the logic of that particular choice and it's reasonable." Val Thorens passes that test IMHO.
My point is: based on the language in red above, the tourism industry people who have voted (one suspects the majority are British) appear to be weighting the resort village experience heavily whereas you do the same with snow preservation and terrain so yes, I suppose that it's reasonable from an industry perspective.

For clarity, I didn't overnight at Val Thorens village; I only walked through parts of it twice and stopped at La Folie Douce. Visually, it reminds me of villages I've seen in pix of northern Scandinavia, Greenland, and Iceland. As the Brits love to say, "it feels bleak" being set in a completely above-treeline moonscape; however, maybe that's the below-treeline northeasterner in me. Who knows; perhaps the resort experience is all that to merit being the winner of ten out of 13 years, but it sounds preposterous to me.
 
the winner of ten out of 13 years,
If you're using objective criteria, why should the winner change year to year unless a resort makes a radical upgrade to overtake the prior champ? But of course clicks will decline if you publish the same list every year.

the tourism industry people who have voted (one suspects the majority are British) appear to be weighting the resort village experience heavily whereas you do the same with snow preservation and terrain
Yes, but in writing for a widespread audience the British should not ignore snow and terrain and I should not ignore the resort experience. Thus I'm perfectly willing to admit that Mammoth has some glaring deficiencies in what most people want in a "ski town."

As for Val Thorens, its snow reliability is elite for the Alps, and as for terrain, Val Thorens is huge and in the category of all things for all people, sort of like Vail and that's intended as a high compliment. The accessibility of non-threatening off piste with good topography for powder is what James wants, and he would like the skiing at Vail for exactly that reason.
 
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in writing for a widespread audience the British should not ignore snow and terrain and I should not ignore the resort experience
My experience with British ski journalists is limited mainly to the Where To Ski And Snowboard book series. While they certainly cover terrain and snow amount/preservation, they also prioritize lift speed, on-mountain signage, snowmaking, and many resort offerings for their (an educated guess) more casual-skier demographic.
 
Val Thorens is a decent choice for a European 'World Ski Resort' award.

I am surprised Val d'Isere/Tignes does not have a year. Possibly Les Arcs/La Plagne or Zermatt/Cervinia.

Although I like Verbier a lot (top 3), it's costly and poorly connected to the rest of the 4 Vallees. And Kitzbuhel is likely too low elevation-wise.

YearWorld’s Best Ski ResortCountry
2024Val ThorensFrance
2023Val ThorensFrance
2022Val ThorensFrance
2021VerbierSwitzerland
2020VerbierSwitzerland
2019Val ThorensFrance
2018Val ThorensFrance
2017Val ThorensFrance
2016Val ThorensFrance
2015KitzbühelAustria
2014Val ThorensFrance
2013 (first awards)Val ThorensFrance
 
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