Abasin opens for 2025-26 on Oct 26

EMSC

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Yes it is true. you and thousands of your best buddies can all slam into each other on the single, much narrower than normal WROD that they will be opening. My personal assessment based on webcams is that this will be by far the thinnest and narrowest opening for Abasin since they installed snowmaking. It feels like a slightly desperate move to me by Alterra for the headlines. Why? because Keystone has made a LOT more snow a lot more frequently than ABasin this year and is probably also ready to announce an opening any day now. There is a reason ABasin put significant improvement in snowmaking into its recent master plan with the USFS. Especially the holding pond volume is just miniscule so that they end up not making snow a lot of nights.

Copper also looks ready to open for racers any day as well. I suspect they will during or just after the upcoming cold snap early next week. Loveland on the other hand is WAY behind everyone else. Don't expect to see them open for probably as much as two more weeks. By then even Eldora might get open (they've already run the guns and put a little bit down).

Question: does this really look like it will end up as an ~18" base from trail edge to trail edge to you? That has always been what all the early resorts in Colo advertised as being their minimum standards to open trails. eg manmade but good quality base depth and width. Looks to me like they are going the eastern US route with iffier and iffier efforts before calling it good enough to open. (for reference I historically see about twice as much snowmaking piles as I've seen this year on the webcams).
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On another interesting note, it looks like Copper will have a tiny bit of snow that makes it all the way from one season to the next:
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Those patches on the upper part of the Terrain park seem likely to not fully melt off even on the handful of remaining warm days over the next week or so. Although it has always baffled me that once the terrain park shuts down (usually sometime in late August) they go in with groomers and push all the snow around to as thin as they can get it to melt it off. Why they don't want to reduce snowmaking requirements for the next season by leaving as much as possible is beyond me. It would make for great frozen base piles for the enormous jumps. Literally no one would ever directly ski on it... makes no sense at all.
 
I agree. Abasin looks like much less snow than prior years openings based upon the same views from the webcam.
 
Question: does this really look like it will end up as an ~18" base from trail edge to trail edge to you? That has always been what all the early resorts in Colo advertised as being their minimum standards to open trails. eg manmade but good quality base depth and width. Looks to me like they are going the eastern US route with iffier and iffier efforts before calling it good enough to open. (for reference I historically see about twice as much snowmaking piles as I've seen this year on the webcams).

This looks like an East Coast opening that would make Killington or Sunday River proud. Often they would open quickly on 6-12" of machine-made on (a barely covered middle) Killington's Rime (previously Cascade) or Sunday River's T2, and try to build on it, or just let it wash away in the next October rain storm. The opening was to grab a headline and gin up skier interest.

I do not have much experience with Western US early-season snowmaking. It's too warm and wet on the Pacific Coast (especially the NW). I know Whistler would use snowmaking to open its upper elevations by Thanksgiving. And Mammoth has a sound snowmaking system, as does Heavenly, but I have never been to either resort during lean times.

Loveland seems to be losing its former status as the #1 early-season ski resort in Colorado. Not a priority anymore?
 
Keystone just decided to open this afternoon at 3 pm.
And that right there is the answer to why ABasin got desperate to announce. I knew Keystone was very close and with WAY more snow. I suspected something might be up once they disabled the Dercum Mtn cam sometime late yesterday. Of course it is still Keystone so the opening trail is quite flat but Kudo's to them.

Loveland seems to be losing its former status as the #1 early-season ski resort in Colorado. Not a priority anymore?
Loveland stopped really trying a decade or more ago. No material snowmaking improvements in a long time that I've seen (eg other systems are bypassing them for volume and efficiency now). I also think that they didn't make hardly any $$ from the public to open so early once ABasin and Keystone were also opening in the same time frame.

So about a decade ago Loveland decided to focus more of their efforts on race training lanes (Valley side) for the Euro's who are willing to pay big $$ early season. That decision further splits their snowmaking efforts for the public opening (Basin side).
 
why are they coming to NA?
2 or 3 reasons. 1) World Cup spends late Nov and early Dec in NA. 2) Glacier snow is not the same surface as typical world cup races on man-made and injected snow - they want to be practicing on the surface they primarily will race all season and Europe is usually a bit later getting snowmaking slopes open. 3) Also, despite the glaciers in Europe, Colorado typically has the first couple and only full length speed tracks ready (eg Super G and Downhill) in the Northern hemisphere by early Nov till at least early Dec - so the speed skiers can only get good training here during the very early season (BTW that would be Copper mtn providing the first full length speed track).
 
Yeah, the US Ski Team spent a couple million dollars with Copper on the snowmaking system to get the early season speed track. They hold lots of FIS races on it just prior and after the annual World Cups in Beaver Creek.

Copper has never been a regular on the World Cup tour but has held a handful of World Cup races primarily as a fill-in venue for someone else. This year they will be holding the Nov women's races that are usually at Killington, but K-ton is replacing the Superstar lift this summer/fall.

Prior to this I watched them hold World Cup in the early 00's as a last minute replacement for Park City. In that instance PC was too warm to make snow (again Nov races), but Copper's high altitude made the difference and allowed races to take place instead of canceling them.
 
I guess it doesn't matter if you have sup-par opening day conditions...

Thank goodness I'm not there though. It's going to be 70F on the front range today and I'd MUCH rather be biking with no crowds than driving I70 for that!
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Copper has never been a regular on the World Cup tour but has held a handful of World Cup races primarily as a fill-in venue for someone else. This year they will be holding the Nov women's races that are usually at Killington, but K-ton is replacing the Superstar lift this summer/fall.

North America is almost not a regular stop on the World Cup. :( Outside of token season openers (Beaver Creek, Killington, Lake Louise), it's all Europe. However, alpine ski racing is now primarily a European Sport.

Really, all the classic races are there, and I love checking out the courses/routes in person. Part of the reason to ski in Austria (non-Arlberg), possibly venturing into Germany.
  • Sölden October season opener
  • Val d’Isère
  • Val Gardena - men's Downhill / super-G
  • Cortina d’Ampezzo - women’s speed
  • Wengen - Lauberhorn
  • Kitzbühel - Hahnenkamm
  • Garmisch‑Partenkirchen
Americans are distracted by free skiing, snowboarding, Moguls, aerials, Slopestyle, pipe, etc. It's impressive that we have produced such dominant male— and especially female—racers. UK friends were tired of seeing Bode Miller next to all the boxes of Barilla pasta and sauces in the 2000s. Me: No one knows who he is in America.
 
I guess it doesn't matter if you have sup-par opening day conditions...

Opening Day really is not about skiing at that point. It's a social event you are just happy to be part of and not get injured.

Typically, it's early season that produces this type of craziness. However, California experienced particularly chaotic late-season closings at Mammoth in August 2023 and at Palisades.
 
And just to keep all the Colorado early season openings in a single thread:

  • Winter park opens at 1p this afternoon (Oct 31st). Though usually on the flattest terrain you have ever seen. Recommend avoiding at all costs for at least the next several weeks.
  • With Copper mtn open for racer training only as of 7a this morning.
  • In addition, Loveland will be opening racer training lanes at the Valley side this weekend, but with a LONG way to go on the opening day run for the public.
  • The wildcard on my radar for an early opening is Eldora. They have made quite a bit of snow and are still making snow this am for example, but not clear yet whether it will be enough for them to try to open at any point this coming weekend.
 
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