Alta, UT 1/25/09

You talk about how quality terrain is more important than snow, blah, blah, blah.
I'm not sure I remember the reference. Perhaps one of the Alta vs. Snowbird discussions. If it was that it was because I believe mid-season Snowbird's terrain advantage over Alta is bigger than Alta's snow advantage over Snowbird. I've also stated several times that in early season (before Christmas, maybe to mid-January in low snow years) I think Alta's snow advantage is more important and that I would ski there more often.

Assuming adequate conditions you are correct that I'll usually choose the place with the most interesting terrain. Powder days are a minority for us peons who don't live in SLC. When I get one, I adjust my priorities, somewhat in the direction advocated by icelantic.

My TR was full of we hit this 2x, that 3x.....
I thrive on variety, but if the 2x or 3x is untracked, I'll take it.

I am a strong devotee of LCC. I'm not saying don't ski there a lot. I'm saying ski there 75-80% instead of 90-95%. Sort of like BobbyD.
Now Snowbasin, that's a different story for a visitor, plenty of terrain, great lifts, no crowds
I recall admin saying the deep sidecountry run on NoName last year was "One of my best runs ever," and he provided ample video evidence:
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Tony Crocker":1piu6oaj said:
You talk about how quality terrain is more important than snow, blah, blah, blah.
I'm not sure I remember the reference.

Allow me to refresh your memory from just last week:

Tony Crocker":1piu6oaj said:
I'm in complete agreement with Patrick that powder is not the exclusive criterion of a quality ski experience. Taking that view is a recipe for frequent unhappiness IMHO. Interesting terrain combined with adequate coverage/conditions to ski it should be sufficient for most skiers.
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Tony Crocker":1piu6oaj said:
If it was that it was because I believe mid-season Snowbird's terrain advantage over Alta is bigger than Alta's snow advantage over Snowbird.

Your comment quoted above had nothing to do with that belief.

Tony Crocker":1piu6oaj said:
I am a strong devotee of LCC. I'm not saying don't ski there a lot. I'm saying ski there 75-80% instead of 90-95%. Sort of like BobbyD.

My response:

Admin":1piu6oaj said:
Did you ever own a season pass in your life? No, I didn't think so. Then stop trying to figure out why people do what they do. I'm blessed by the luxury of being able to go pretty much anywhere I want. My regular ski companions have no such luxury. And despite the "no friends on a powder day" credo, I place an inordinately high value on spending good times with my friends...
For me, good times with good friends almost always trump statistics.
 
Tony Crocker":11jkiwun said:
Assuming adequate conditions you are correct that I'll usually choose the place with the most interesting terrain. Powder days are a minority for us peons who don't live in SLC. When I get one, I adjust my priorities, somewhat in the direction advocated by icelantic.

My TR was full of we hit this 2x, that 3x.....
I thrive on variety, but if the 2x or 3x is untracked, I'll take it.

every time, and i fully agree. and there is PLENTY of terrain at solitude to ski all day, for days if you know the terrain well without having to 2x and 3x stuff, but who the heck wouldn't if it's untracked? nobody here i bet. why leave good snow to find it? right?
if i find untracked on a silly blue square over groomed snow, i'll lap it all day long and won't need for anything else as my top priority is untracked on any day. we all like what we like though.
glad yer all gettin it good out there. i was started to feel a little guilty skiing all of this pow out here. 29 pow days out of 38 ski days so far. today will be my 1st non pow day in about 10.
enjoy!
rog
 
Solitude isn't exactly the best place to spend a full day bell to bell. My TR was full of we hit this 2x, that 3x

My friend Bob, who skis Solitude twice a week and doesn't bother trying to correct odd perceptions, had a big guffaw about that one -- that you're forced to do the same lines over and over because the terrain is somehow wanting.
 
IMHO (and, in this case the "H" does actually stand for "humble), for the destination skier who makes skiing untracked a priority, the significantly lower skier density at Solitide should not be underestimated; even if that lower density results from topographical features that require the worst lift layout in the cottonwoods.

I skied Solitude on Friday March 14 last year on the first day of a four day trip. We pulled into Moonbeam ten minutes before the opening bell with a reported 9 inches of fresh on the hill and a forecast that made it clear there would be free refills all day long. There were about ten other cars in the lot. Seriously. We lapped numerous front-side runs off of Powderhorn to "warm up" and only moved over to the Summit lift for the sake of variety, not to look for new untracked. "Headwall forest," "evergreen," and the steep, relatively short slots skier's left of the Summit lift provided hours of challenging, untracked, deep ( and rapidly getting deeper) powder skiing that did not require an intimate knowledge of the area or a hell-for-leather competitive ruthlessness to obtain. By afternoon, the snow was over our knees everywhere. The skier's-left traverse into Honeycomb was closed all day, but it didn't matter; numerous tree shots in the vicinity of areas marked "middle-slope," parachute," "milkrun," "here be dragons," and "Navarone" all provided untracked deep and steep that didn't really need to be searched for or rushed through. When our legs started to die late in the afternoon (we're 40, free-heel, and from the flatlands so give us a break) the trees around the sunshine lift were still offering lots of untracked, lower-angle freshies perfect for our to-the-closing-bell warm down. A lot of the day felt as if we had been slackcountry skiing, even though the entire day was spent in bounds. In short, the terrain at Solitude kept us plenty entertained from bell to bell.

We were lucky enough to score three full-on powder days (9 inches or more) over last-year's short trip. We skied at Solitude, Powder Mountain, and Snowbird. By a conservative estimate, this translated into about two-and-a-half days skiing truly untracked lines. I'm certain we could have had more untracked had we not chosen Snowbird on Sunday March 16. The Bird that day under-reported 9 inches (seemed more like 13 or 14) of the lightest snow I think I've ever skied. Alta/Bird has a terrain advantage that simply cannot be argued with, and we had a fantastic morning lapping Little Cloud and Gad 2. I know its an apple-to-oranges comparison to our Solitude experience because it was a Sunday and because it wasn't snowing, but as good as the skiing was, it was much more intense because we were constantly having to keep an eye on the openings signs and our fellow skiers/boarders in order to keep scoring fresh, open lines. We increased our enjoyment in the afternoon by ceasing to worry about finding untracked and instead enjoying some of the more technical chutes into the Cirque off of the tram.

Different days, different priorities, different experiences. I don't regret either of our experiences, and, for the sake of variety, I would make the same decisions if I had it to do over. However, as a destination skier with a good (but not a local's) familiarity with resorts of L and BCC, I know that most of the time, if I want a full-day of powder skiing with a lower hassle factor, I'll have to trade the big mountain Altabird terrain to make it happen. Most of the time, that's a trade I'm willing to make
 
flyover":1ckok31d said:
(we're 40, free-heel, and from the flatlands so give us a break)

I hear ya brotha.

Great informative post for those of us who don't have a clue about the skiing in the Wasatch. Thanks.
 
<catty posts by a bunch of regulars>
I thought I was on FTO and reading about skiing. Instead it more resembles a bunch of cranky old grandmothers arguing over a canasta hand. :roll:
 
Marc_C":1emzx5dj said:
it more resembles a bunch of cranky old grandmothers arguing over a canasta hand
... says the crankiest canasta player here.

Shouldn't you be out skiing two feet of fresh snow? :)
 
Nice post from flyover, perhaps the best advice on this thread for visiting skiers. He had the same experience as I did at Solitude, fresh tracks every run without the benefit of vast experience or local guidance.

Despite my critiques and weather track record in Utah, I consider myself well-positioned going forward. With 1.1 million vertical on Snowbird I probably come close to being a local on knowledge though not talent. And of course I've had the benefit of local guidance at Alta. :)

Last Monday at Alta we had a new skier along. Eric is a med student who just moved to Utah from Philadelphia. He bought a Utah Silver Pass, which for $500 more than the Altabird pass, gives you 30 days at each Utah area. I would be tempted to go that route if I lived in Utah. I advised Eric to ration his Snowbird days carefully, so he could take advantage of its better preservation in March and later, and the period after mid-April when it's the only game in town.
 
jamesdeluxe":3k7wcfor said:
Marc_C":3k7wcfor said:
it more resembles a bunch of cranky old grandmothers arguing over a canasta hand

And yet it's pretty much the same thing I was thinking.

I understand wanting to make good, informed decisions; but hopefully without analysis paralysis :P
 
I just grabbed some of Sharon's photos and she asked me to post these for her.

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