Alta, UT 4/19/09 - Closing Day

[Patrick]

Good to see you back here Rog. You were missed by the folks that appreciate your passion.

 

[Skidog]

Good to see you back here Rog. You were missed by the folks that appreciate your passion.

Sorry but is it passion or delusion?
The "always rosey" picture gets a little old. There are many of us who have skied the terrain that Rog calls home for many years. There are very few days back there that compare to here simple as that, no exaggeration needed. "fickle non maritime snowpack"? What the hell is that...we've had 240+" in roughly the last 30 days. Mt washington, since last october, has seen about 215" TOTAL for that time period (http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/f6/). We've had nearly 700" again this season and another foot for this weekend (or more), another shot Tuesday, lest say we might pick up another 100" by end of May...

There really is no comparison.

M

 

[Patrick]

The "always rosey" picture gets a little old.

Why are you talking about yourself Skidog? :roll: Instead of pissing on someone stoke and TRs, you couldn't just appreciate it.

If you can't have fun in skiing what he does then why do you need to question? If your seasons sucked in the East, I feel sorry for you. Conditions rarely sucks for me, I always have fun. (a have of ton of FF points, so if I really wanted to, I could fly West a few times a year).

If I had to choose between Skidog's ski season and Icelandic one, I would definitely choose Ice over Dog.

There really is no comparison.

Definitely no comparison, I prefer Ice's season.

 

[Skidog]

The "always rosey" picture gets a little old.

Why are you talking about yourself Skidog? :roll: Instead of pissing on someone stoke and TRs, you couldn't just appreciate it.

If you can't have fun in skiing what he does then why do you need to question? If your seasons sucked in the East, I feel sorry for you. Conditions rarely sucks for me, I always have fun. (a have of ton of FF points, so if I really wanted to, I could fly West a few times a year).

If I had to choose between Skidog's ski season and Icelandic one, I would definitely choose Ice over Dog.

There really is no comparison.

Definitely no comparison, I prefer Ice's season.

You prefer low snow totals and hardpack conditions??? Interesting choice of skiing....i left that behind a couple years back...too inconsistent.

To each their own.

My point is that Rog comes over and pisses on the West reports all the time Patrick. You should work on reading comprehension. Do i, or any other Utah resident, go over to the East forums and shit on them repeatedly? Post how good it was where we were? Its far better skiing when you get over 700"/year how can you deny that?

Get a grip bro.

M

 

[Patrick]

Do i, or any other Utah resident, go over to the East forums and [censored] on them repeatedly?

I guess you having been paying attention where you guys post? :roll: And I did recall reading a certain post on Greek Peak by yourself I believe, so please.

Ice comes in to agree with Tony on something about Snowbird...he happens to mentioned that he's up to 100 days of skiing and how the skiing has been great in the rockpile and Loaf. WTF is wrong with that???

Anyone that can ski over 50 days in row and over 100 in a season on Mt Wash and surrounding is all right in my books. His TRs has documented his exploits. Other TRs from other have documented the fact this was also great. Unfortunately all these TRs weren't posted here.

Post how good it was where we were? Its far better skiing when you get over 700"/year how can you deny that?

Jay was pretty good this weekend. Calling for temps in the 70-80s this weekend, get out the suncreen and t-shirts.

 

[Skidog]

Jay was pretty good this weekend. Calling for temps in the 70-80s this weekend, get out the suncreen and t-shirts.

Nowhere NEAR 700"....sorry....

As for Rogs' posts...they consistently bash the conditions we are skiiing in favor of the 3" "fresh pow" that he's skiing...cmon man...I made one post in a Greek peak thread to make a point and poke a little fun..what Rog does is borderline annoying and im not the only one around here who was glad he wasn't polluting the west threads with his banter.

As for skiing 100 days in the east...if i lived right in the heart of VT/NH/ME id get my fair share, and if i ever move back i will be there. However I have a job that I put in 50 hours a week at MINIMUM (no way Rog is putting in those hours and getting in 100+ days) and im still going on day 63 (lift served add 5 of hiking to that total)....we've got at least another month lift served, and likely many more after that on leg power. Where will you/rog/et.al. be skiing come september?? Im sure I long walk up Mt Timpanogos will deliver more than a few turns come Sept.

Not bad for a guy with a newborn....

M

 

[icelanticskier]

Good to see you back here Rog. You were missed by the folks that appreciate your passion.

Sorry but is it passion or delusion?
The "always rosey" picture gets a little old. There are many of us who have skied the terrain that Rog calls home for many years. There are very few days back there that compare to here simple as that, no exaggeration needed. "fickle non maritime snowpack"? What the hell is that...we've had 240+" in roughly the last 30 days. Mt washington, since last october, has seen about 215" TOTAL for that time period (http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/f6/). We've had nearly 700" again this season and another foot for this weekend (or more), another shot Tuesday, lest say we might pick up another 100" by end of May...

There really is no comparison.

M

that's nice.......if you wanna discuss the differences between a maritime snowpack (sierra, presidentials) vs an intermountain snowpack (wasatch), and what makes one often times much better and more consistent than the other, we will be meeting at the mouth of little at a very non-andrew mclean time of 11am for a grizzly tour to have a looksy and maybe some good skiing which we have managed to find in the past couple of days. 700 inches is great and all, but when it skis like crap from no overnight refreeze and rapid warming day after day, i prefer my home snowpack that can see no refreeze for weeks and ski as well as any snow anywhere. when i left home, i left much better skiing conditions than i've found here so far, hopefully that will change. this trip was more about spending time with a good friend anyway and i'm sure admin can appreciate that situation.

tootles, mouth at 11

rog

 

[Admin]

i'm sure admin can appreciate that situation.

How did I get sucked into this pissing match?

 

[Skidog]

Good to see you back here Rog. You were missed by the folks that appreciate your passion.

Sorry but is it passion or delusion?
The "always rosey" picture gets a little old. There are many of us who have skied the terrain that Rog calls home for many years. There are very few days back there that compare to here simple as that, no exaggeration needed. "fickle non maritime snowpack"? What the hell is that...we've had 240+" in roughly the last 30 days. Mt washington, since last october, has seen about 215" TOTAL for that time period (http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/f6/). We've had nearly 700" again this season and another foot for this weekend (or more), another shot Tuesday, lest say we might pick up another 100" by end of May...

There really is no comparison.

M

that's nice.......if you wanna discuss the differences between a maritime snowpack (sierra, presidentials) vs an intermountain snowpack (wasatch), and what makes one often times much better and more consistent than the other, we will be meeting at the mouth of little at a very non-andrew mclean time of 11am for a grizzly tour to have a looksy and maybe some good skiing which we have managed to find in the past couple of days. 700 inches is great and all, but when it skis like crap from no overnight refreeze and rapid warming day after day, i prefer my home snowpack that can see no refreeze for weeks and ski as well as any snow anywhere. when i left home, i left much better skiing conditions than i've found here so far, hopefully that will change. this trip was more about spending time with a good friend anyway and i'm sure admin can appreciate that situation.

tootles, mouth at 11

rog

Maybe you just cant handle the skiing in this type snowpack???? The corn cycles havent started good yet here cause its still going to dump snow for another month...

Head on back to the 215" in Tucks. We'll be skiing straight through til next season no doubt...

Besides all this is coming from a guy who calls 3" on top of boilerplate a "pow day"....enough of your banter... :roll:

M

 

[Patrick]

Where will you/rog/et.al. be skiing come september??

I don't know about this September, but I know where I was skiing the last 3 Septembers. :roll:

You and Rog should settle this with the "SKI OFF" and the loser should then shut up.

 

[icelanticskier]

im still going on day 63 (lift served add 5 of hiking to that total)

63 lift served w/ 5 hiking, not to mention a little avy incident to show your true mountain experience. those numbers are pathetic gaperdog, shoulda pulled out i guess. ooh, two years in the wasatch makes you a seasoned pro huh?

anywho, it's been nice to tour in an empty wasatch even if conditions are a bit sub par. we skied plenty of untracked snow off of patsy this afternoon and it provided quite a good ride. will hit upper elevations tomorrow with hopefully some new. gaperdog, you should join us to show how far your skiing has come since leaving the east. and btw, you started this pissing match this time. i was simply writing in to say that it's nice to be in the area and that the bird is a great hill and i never knew about it 1st hand.

love

rog

 

[SoCal Rider]

Good to see you back here Rog. You were missed by the folks that appreciate your passion.

Sorry but is it passion or delusion?
The "always rosey" picture gets a little old. There are many of us who have skied the terrain that Rog calls home for many years. There are very few days back there that compare to here simple as that, no exaggeration needed. "fickle non maritime snowpack"? What the hell is that...we've had 240+" in roughly the last 30 days. Mt washington, since last october, has seen about 215" TOTAL for that time period (http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/f6/). We've had nearly 700" again this season and another foot for this weekend (or more), another shot Tuesday, lest say we might pick up another 100" by end of May...

There really is no comparison.

M

that's nice.......if you wanna discuss the differences between a maritime snowpack (sierra, presidentials) vs an intermountain snowpack (wasatch), and what makes one often times much better and more consistent than the other, we will be meeting at the mouth of little at a very non-andrew mclean time of 11am for a grizzly tour to have a looksy and maybe some good skiing which we have managed to find in the past couple of days. 700 inches is great and all, but when it skis like crap from no overnight refreeze and rapid warming day after day, i prefer my home snowpack that can see no refreeze for weeks and ski as well as any snow anywhere. when i left home, i left much better skiing conditions than i've found here so far, hopefully that will change. this trip was more about spending time with a good friend anyway and i'm sure admin can appreciate that situation.

tootles, mouth at 11

rog

So, purely for skiing, you'd choose EC over Utah? Or are you only making a comparison about April conditions?

 

[icelanticskier]

Maybe you just cant handle the skiing in this type snowpack????

now, that's funny gaperdog! i've seen yer pics and vid clips and i have to say that yer skiing has a long way to go b4 you start telling anyone that they can't handle skiing in any type of snowpack. ah, if only you had even an ounce of a clue.

rog

 

[icelanticskier]

purely for skiing, you'd choose EC over Utah? Or are you only making a comparison about April conditions?

i choose the ec over utah not only for the skiing on a whole, but for day to day living as well. i like to visit here and enjoy the mountains and all that they have to offer, but i really do prefer our maritime snowpack in the nh high country. we may get alot less snow, but it lasts plenty for skiing well into june every year and after that i'm surfing and enjoying the beach minutes from my home anyway. i am able to hit the conditions right and ski a bunch back home which definitely has it's advantages.

mt washington and the whole presidential range is truly dear to my heart and offers me completely solo powder tours all winter with 4200 vert summit to car runs on both sides in really interesting terrain. if ya want steep, it's got plenty, if ya want to ski on a perfect spring day when tucks is packed, there are many other areas along the range where you won't see another soul all day. fun fact: the mount washington avalanche center is the oldest forecasting center in the country. craig was surprised and impressed by that. now if only this snowpack could freeze up a bit and a bit of new fall, we'd be in business. 15 inches of new on the summit of mt washington in the past couple of days should help out a bit back home. april conditions? roll of the dice.

rog

 

[rfarren]

i choose the ec over utah not only for the skiing on a whole, but for day to day living as well.

Bingo... I love the way the EC towns and cities are laid out. Between the architecture and culture I can totally see where Rog is coming from.

mt washington and the whole presidential range is truly dear to my heart and offers me completely solo powder tours all winter with 4200 vert summit to car runs on both sides in really interesting terrain. if ya want steep, it's got plenty, if ya want to ski on a perfect spring day when tucks is packed, there are many other areas along the range where you won't see another soul all day.

I can understand that completely. Especially since clearly for Roger it is about competition. Clearly Utah gets more snow, but on Mount Washington, where it seems Roger does a ton of skiing there is a lot of powder and not a lot of competition.

Utah has great mountains, but is virtually devoid of towns like you see in the east coast. The presidentials, greens, and dacks, are chock full of towns which are nestled into the mountains; towns, where the vast majority were founded before the invention of a car, and lay claim to legitimate town centers.

after that i'm surfing and enjoying the beach minutes from my home anyway.

Well, there you have it. In Utah there isn't the ocean. To quote Melville:

Say you are in the country; in some high land of lakes. Take almost any path you please, and ten to one it carries you down in a dale, and leaves you there by a pool in the stream. There is magic in it. Let the most absent-minded of men be plunged in his deepest reveries- stand that man on his legs, set his feet a-going, and he will infallibly lead you to water, if water there be in all that region.

 

[Harvey]

Rog great to get your input again. I know I could probably track your TRs on T4T or where ever they are but it's a time thing.

Maybe Admin could set up a separate forum called The East Sucks. Then whoever wanted to post a bunch of downer could put it there, and the rest of us pods wouldn't have to filter through it to see great pics, hear some stoke and get conditions beta.

 

[icelanticskier]

harv!!!!

craig and i are just about to load up to "break" trail in upper bcc in the 6" of new that has fallen thus far. just enough to pad things, but still allow for fairly limitless travel. i'll report back.

rog

 

[Tony Crocker]

Bingo... I love the way the EC towns and cities are laid out. Between the architecture and culture I can totally see where Rog is coming from.

Bottom line, the ambience, culture, history, whatever is what's keeping these people in the East. Enough to outweigh the less extensive/consistent skiing.

Well, there you have it. In Utah there isn't the ocean.

But there is here, and it's usable all year, not just half. :mrgreen:

 

[jasoncapecod]

But there is here, and it's usable all year, not just half.

with water temps in the 50 to low 60's all year ..to me that ain't usable.. i don't want to hear about wet suits.. wearing a 4mm suit or dry suit sucks :snowball fight:

now back to skiing

 

[SoCal Rider]

Hey, a 3/2 is enough for SoCal winters here. At least it was when I was 16.