Are you a die-hard skier ? test

Frankontour

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Here is a little test to determine if you are a real crazy skier. It is from an old Ski Press Magazine (Quebec's french version) of december 1994. It's really funny, try it <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>--------- <BR> <BR>The real skiers can tell it, the alpine skiing passion can affect severely the behavior of a person. To determine how much you're affected, we suggest you this psychological test which is scientifically tested in laboratory. Answer by TRUE or FALSE to the following assertions. Give you 1 point for each "TRUE" and 0 point for each "FALSE" and see the diagnosis at the end of the test. <BR> <BR>1) You ski more than 25 days by year <BR> <BR>2) You already passed a winter where you only did ski (no other real activities) <BR> <BR>3) You're subscribed to Ski Press Mag (or let's say : you frequently look to the Ski News of First Tracks !! Online Magazine ;)) <BR> <BR>4) The day after a snowstorm, you already arrived at the ski area at 7 AM to be in the very first chairlift to reach the summit. <BR> <BR>5) You've already walked a lot to reach the ski slopes after have skied on the wrong side of a ski area. <BR> <BR>6) The ski patrol already cut your lift ticket, cause you jumped a little bit too much dangerously or you passed the 50mph or you took a trail closed or went in the woods. <BR> <BR>7) You've done those offenses without lose your lift ticket. <BR> <BR>8) You have already hiked a mountain in a t-bar with a skier 2' less tall or taller than you and you reach the summit without fall. <BR> <BR>9) You've already skied under heavy rain and you liked your day. <BR> <BR>10) You've already made love in a gondola <BR> <BR>11) The worst fall down of your life, it was under a chairlift and the people in the chairlift laughed a lot of you. <BR> <BR>12) The best run of your life, it was under a chairlift and the people in the chairlift were clapping their hands + encourage you to continue. <BR> <BR>13) You've already sprained your big finger at least once. <BR> <BR>14) You have already made huge scratches under your skis. <BR> <BR>15) You learned how your skis were built after have completely broken them. <BR> <BR>16) You don't go in a ski shop for the maintenance of your skis. You do it yourself. <BR> <BR>17) You've already seen at least 3 movies of Warren Miller. <BR> <BR>18) Your ski gloves are made of at least 75% of "duct tape". <BR> <BR>19) You know what it is to "eat" a rapid gate on the head. <BR> <BR>20) You're easily able to perfectly re-fold a trail map in a chairlift, with your gloves, in a coldy big windy day. <BR> <BR>21) You don't need to have a trail map in at least 20 ski areas in New England + 10 ski areas elsewhere, cause you already know perfectly the trail network of those ski areas ! (for the QC skiers, it's 20 in QC + 10 in New England) <BR> <BR>22) You've already skied at least once in Europa, or in the Western North America. <BR> <BR>23) You swear to do at least one week of heli-skiing before you're 50 years old. <BR> <BR>24) You ski... but you also do : Hiking, Mountain bike and water skiing. <BR> <BR>25) In september, you pass your evenings to read some old ski magazines or to check the ski infos on internet with your ski boots in the feet. <BR> <BR>26) In october, you drive 4h to ski at Killington (hmm, this one is not really good for the New England skiers) Let's just say you ski at Killington even though there is just Rime open, with unloadings, trucks, etc. <BR> <BR>27) In november, you refuse to be with a super chick (or a super guy), because she (he) doesn't like to ski. <BR> <BR>28) At Christmas, you exchange the journey in the south you won, against a journey in the Western rockies. <BR> <BR>29) In january, you're happy when they forecast -50 degrees (with the wind chill) cause you know there won't be some line up. <BR> <BR>30) In february, you're boss note that you're sick the day after each snow storms. <BR> <BR>31) In march, you don't have "days off for sickness", so you're uncle Bob die for the 3rd time, during a great snow storm ! <BR> <BR>32) In april, the ski area close, cause not enough skiers, so you hike & ski. <BR> <BR>33) In may, you drive 3h and hike 2h to ski Tucks. (lucky in New England to avoid the 3h of driving) <BR> <BR>34) In june, you depress <BR> <BR>35) In july, you take a mortgage for your house and you fly to New Zealand !! <BR> <BR>36) In august, you sell all and you go to live forever in the glaciers of the rockies. <BR> <BR> <BR>RESULTS <BR> <BR><B>Less than 5 points</B> <BR> <BR>you're certainly not a die-hard. Look in a mirror in march, either you're green... or in Florida (Sorry Marc, it's really written that lololol) <BR> <BR><B>Between 5 and 15 points</B> <BR> <BR>You like to ski, there is no doubt, but you like other things too. A good advice, after the next snowstorm, take a day off, and go in your favorite mountain to have real fun. You can also just let fall your idea to buy a super equipment of $2000 or so and take the money to invest in a real week of skiing. You won't regret it ! <BR> <BR><B>Between 15 and 25 points</B> <BR> <BR>Skiing have a very important place in your life and you certainly thought to be a real die-hard. But no, you still didn't experienced all the sensations that ski can bring to you. You think you don't do enough ski ? Take a winter off at job and do a heli-ski trip. You can also just move to live in a ski town. After all... we've just 1 life to live ! <BR> <BR><B>Between 25 and 35 points</B> <BR> <BR>Oh oh, here we have a real die-hard. You're just like us and the ski is a real passion and possibly even your job. You think to that 12 months a year. You already had some real unforgettable moments, some huge happinesses and you know what is the real liberty that only ski can bring to you ! You dream to stop working before 50 years old, to ski each day, after. You still didn't done all ?? So... when will it be, the trip in New Zealand ? <BR> <BR><B>36 points</B> <BR> <BR>Are you sure you didn't cheat ? If you really got 36 points, you're really incredible ! You'll be on the front page of our next magazine. You're an inspiration, a model, a legend alive !! <BR> <BR>-------------- <BR> <BR>Damn it was long to traduce !!!!!! <BR>Actually, I'm still a rookie as a university student and only 16 seasons of skiing. I don't target 36, cause there is some little exaggerations, but it's sure I will pass in the 25-35 range. The poor thing is that even doing over 5000 offenses in 16 years, they never succeeded to cut my lift ticket. But with all the warnings I got (not counting the huge lot of times they just didn't catched me, running for that), I should deserve this point ! lol <BR> <BR>My real score is actually 22/36. But I hope to pass over the 25 next winter. Here are my next targets : <BR> <BR>(cutting lift ticket, it will surely finish to happen... skiing like I do !) lol <BR>4h of road for Killington in october <BR>3h drive + 2h walk for Killington <BR> <BR>(this year, they could add : 4h drive to Tenney in july or august !) <BR> <BR>So this could raise to 25. <BR> <BR>I must say the west is coming soon. (Timberline in Oct 2004) and as soon as I will work, I risk to be sick sometimes (Chutttt Max) lol. New Zealand is also in my ideas for 2005 or later. The other things will come in the next years, but I don't think to spend a winter to only do skiing and I don't think I'm going to move to the rockies. Those are the only 2 ones I don't think I'll do in my life. <BR> <BR>So, 34/36 is my real target. Now, if you want, try the test and write your comments here, it would be cool to see that ! lol
 
Here we go! <BR> <BR>TRUE: <BR>1. Of course I ski more than 25 days a winter! The only year I skied less than that I was 2 years old. <BR>3 <BR>4 <BR>5 <BR>7 - Let's just say it's more difficult to cut the pass of an intructor, even though he would deserve it (I can't imagine a regular skier cause, by gross misconduct, a 10-minute stop of a chairlift AND NOT HAVE its pass cut - let's just say a warning was sufficient for me not repeating my mistakes lol) <BR>9- heavy rains are fun! Thunderstorms are even better - I once skied in one in mid-february. This year it rained so much during an afternoon the bottom of chair #4 (sutton) was covered by an inch of water, and operators were working with water over the boots. <BR>11- The worst fall of my life (most spectacular) was under a chairlift but people were not laughing. I still give myself a point cause it's not everyday that you get bumped by behind while skiing at a good speed speed, do 100m up with the skier on your shoulders and end up falling/loosing your stuff over 20m. (I was ok - the #&*&$/% other skier also) <BR>12 <BR>13 <BR>14 <BR>15 The skis I destroyed weren't mine, but what the heck. I've also participated in burning a snowboard. <BR>19 <BR>20 <BR>21 <BR>23 <BR>24 <BR>25 <BR>27 <BR>29 <BR>30 <BR>32 <BR>34 <BR> <BR>TOTAL: 22 <BR>Hey Frank we're even! <BR> <BR>I should also be able to raise my score quickly: <BR>2 - I do have full-time skiing in plan for next winter. <BR>16 - I want to learn how to tune my skis <BR>26 - October skiing is another of my objectives <BR> <BR>And <BR>22, 33 & 35 - Tucks, NZ and West or Europe are all targets for me within the next 5 years <BR> <BR>So that would bring me to 28. My lifetime total may be higher, but as most of the remaining depend on luck - I guess we'll see. <BR> <BR>Oh, and Frank, just so you know, the company has a policy stating you can take fifty hrs of paid time off during the year, without any justification required. So this means more than 6 days! I guess you'll make good use of those. Don't worry, I won't tell people how you use those days - hell, I'm gonna do same!
 
lololol I was just laughing, for the company. I remember at my interview when Anne-Marie told me that. I said in joke that I would take the 50h off the 3rd week of january <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> lololol Of course I said I was joking ! <BR> <BR>As you went with your specific points, I go : <BR> <BR>1) Yes, I did it 3 seasons (including the last 2) and I want to continue that till I'm 90+ years old ! <BR> <BR>3) of course <BR> <BR>4) My best score is 6h30, but not a huge powder day. I already arrived at 7h45 at Alta while opening at 9h00. I hiked the mountain instead of waiting the first lift up. 28" of powder, what would have you done ? <BR> <BR>5) The "Stéphane Rochon" at la Reserve was my last one, but I'm used to hike ! <BR> <BR>7) thousands of times. <BR> <BR>8) I began in the t-bars of Mt Olympia at 7 years old. I guess I was under 3'7" and my father was 5'7". I also climbed with young children at Mt Shefford. <BR> <BR>9) Gabriel in 94, Smuggs in 96, Habitant in 99... it's about that. <BR> <BR>11) Equal : Mt Avalanche, when I fell down head first off a little cliff on upper canon ; Mt Gabriel : twice in the same evening, Tamarack / Coupe du Monde. And Mt Garceau under the quad. <BR> <BR>12) May be not the very very best ones, but I've been applaused enough often in the past. The people look me and think I suck in ski cause I have some really bad equipment and I guess they're surprised to see me go in the trails... and so they understand why I never take some new equipment ! scraaaaaaaatch ! <BR> <BR>13) twice <BR> <BR>14) I got many screws in my skis since 10 years <BR> <BR>15) My new skis at Bromont... ouch <BR> <BR>16) A little bit... more and more <BR> <BR>17) 3 exactly, not counting the previews <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>18) 9/10 <BR> <BR>?? what is a rapid gate ? I guess the blue or red things they use to do I don't know what ? <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> lol <BR>is a tree OK ? if yes, I have a point here ! lol <BR> <BR>20) of course <BR> <BR>21) 60 in QC + let's say 50-100 elsewhere <BR> <BR>23) of course ! <BR> <BR>25) I even put my old ski boots last monday. <BR> <BR>29) My best = -65 <BR> <BR>32) 16 trips just last year <BR> <BR>34) june, july, august, september <BR> <BR>I think I should almost follow this list to know what to do in the next seasons ! lol <BR> <BR>And finally, for the real real real die-hards, this is one of the ultimate proof : Tadoussac <BR> <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/messages/8/2634.jpg" ALT="I WOULD !">
 
It is maybe because I am older than you guys, my score is 27!!! <BR> <BR>TRUE <BR>1. An average of 29.7 since 1980-81 (started skiing at 4 in 1969). In the last 23 seasons I had two broken clavicules and back injury all in January/early February plus two babies born in October and November. This probably affected the overall average. <BR>2. <BR>3. <BR>7. Done that and sometimes got warnings. <BR>8. For those who remember the old Tremblant North side T-Bars. I have been on both side of this one (the adult and the kid). <BR>9. Just this year I had two amazing heavy rain days. Easter Monday (Apr 21), Tremblant last day and Grand Montets in Chamonix (Mar28). I skiied once in a beginning of a Thunderstorm, not fun - they closed everything and we skied and hike to the base. Very wet and somewhat dangerous (not as bad as golf). Killington end of May 1984. <BR>11. Probably happened a few good falls over time. I don't recall anyone laughing... mind you I was dazed a few times over the years. <BR>12. <BR>13. Stains on both thumb several times. A fracture in 1998, did noticed until three weeks later when I started playing with it at work (people were disgusted) and went to the Doctor to have it look at. <BR>14. <BR>16. <BR>17. <BR>18. Believe it or not they got stolen, along with the rest of the stuff in my skibag on May4? 2002 in Ste.Anne. My wife was very happy. I don't even think I have a picture of them. Snif. <BR>19. 20. 21. 22. 23. <BR>24. Less nowadays. <BR>25. I have even sleep with new ski boots in September. <BR>27. I have refused to be with someone because they didn't ski, not necessarly in November. <BR>28. I never won anything like that, but the choice would be easy. <BR>29. <BR>30. No boss, it was with my previous employer. <BR>32 & 33. Tucks in April and May. Maybe in June and July next year. <BR>34. Depress in June? Unless I go skiing like in 1988, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96 and 97. <BR> <BR> <BR>FALSE <BR>4. I remember arriving at 7am at Tremblant on January 1, 2000 leaving from Montreal with very very little sleep. Also have left Montreal for Kiilington June 1st race many time at 4am to be in line at 7am. Unfortunately never arrived for first chair after a snowstorm. I live too far from the places I ski. <BR>5. Walk alot to get back to the lifts, but never ended up or the wrong side. <BR>6. Never, I am not planning to (see 7.) <BR>10. No comment, I am married. <BR>15. Never destroyed a ski. Cracked a ski once, Killington late May 84 again. Got a new pair of RC4 from Fischer the year after. <BR>26. Never made it. <BR>31. Remember seeing a t-shirt in Whistler which said: 'I was out of sick days so I called in death'. <BR>35. New Zealand and Chili are planned in the coming years, however I don't think I would take a mortgage on the house. <BR>36. Sometimes I have had the feeling of leaving everything (except family) and move in the Alps or out West. <BR> <BR>Not bad looking back at this. I guess some people are right when they call me a crazy.
 
Lol, Patrick, I think you can add the #26. They said october but IMO, as you drove 4h to go there, you deserve the point. <BR> <BR>For #28 and 30, of course I could add them too, even though it never totally happened to me... about the same thing for #27. I could add #24, although I just hike. <BR> <BR>I wonder if someone will score over 27 !
 
1) avg. 25.8 since 78-79, 27.1 since 1996-97 <BR> <BR>3) 3 mag subscriptions + FTO + comp copies of SKIER <BR> <BR>4) A few Baldy powder days arrived by 7:30AM, with lifts opening 9 to 11AM <BR> <BR>5) Skied off backside of Mt. Waterman Feb. 92: 3 hours to hike up, ski down and hitchhike back to ski area <BR> <BR>6) Ticket clipped about 3:15PM at Baldy in Feb. 1998 for skiing OB run Psych-Out. Waited 10 min, stuck red jacket inside daypack, and went back up the lifts for last hour. Finished with another OB run to below parking area. <BR> <BR>7) See above. A few other Baldy and Waterman poaches also. <BR> <BR>8) Many times when kids were 4-7 years old. <BR> <BR>9) All day in the rain at Coronet Peak, NZ in Aug. 1982. My quote at the time: “It’s 7,000 miles from home. When will I ever get to ski this place again?” Postscript: I did get back to Coronet 15 years later: this time in 8 inches of fresh powder. <BR> <BR>13) I presume this means thumb. If so, yes. <BR> <BR>14) 3 feet of fresh over no base will do it every time. <BR> <BR>17) Probably more like 23. In late 1970’s Warren Miller still narrated IN PERSON in Pasadena because he lived in SoCal then. 2002 was the first year I missed since the 1970’s because I was in South Africa for 3 weeks when the movie was shown here. I also met him at Yellowstone Club in 2001. <BR> <BR>18) One pair is. <BR> <BR>20) Cold, yes. Wet is another story. <BR> <BR>21) I’m not sure it’s 30 areas total, but they are much bigger areas. How many New England areas is Mammoth worth? <BR> <BR>22) Vice-versa in my case. More hard-core for a western skier to visit the East IMHO. <BR> <BR>23) Had my 7th and 8th heli days at age 49. <BR> <BR>24) Hiking, river rafting, boogie-boarding/bodysurfing. <BR> <BR>25) I cut up and archive selected articles from prior year’s ski mags, lots of internet browsing. <BR> <BR>26) Skied Killington (only Upper Cascade open) on Oct. 28, 1988 to claim only previously unskied month. This after a business trip to Boston though I live in SoCal. <BR> <BR>27) Dumped prior girlfriend for current wife in June 1982 partially because the former didn’t ski. <BR> <BR>30) My current boss knows I will take vacation/personal day on short notice after a big dump. In 1980’s when I had less vacation time I occasionally used a sick day. <BR> <BR>32) Out here, May/June hikes to 11,000 ft. San Gorgonio in 1980-83. Had to stop when trailhead was relocated too far. <BR> <BR>33) See above. I've also done Tuckerman's. How many western skiers can say likewise? <BR> <BR>34) Not here. I have 8 lifetime ski days at Mammoth after June 1 (latest July 15). <BR> <BR>35) NZ trips in August/Sept. 1982 and July/August 1997 <BR> <BR>RESULTS 25. At age 50 the number is not likely to increase much, though I expect there will be at least one dedicated ski season (#2) when I retire in 5 years.
 
Well this is a no-brainer for a real die hard. just scored 34 only because i think the skiing in BC is too good to leave to go ski with the kiwis. And you have to add a question about cat skiing in revelstoke or nelson...cause thats real ski-country. spent 3 wks this year and had 13 feet of fresh...that should give me point 35!! love u guys..all the best
 
Thanks for the answer and for the new word in my vocabulary : "thumb" <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>I guess I was tired of looking in the dictionary, when I arrived to this word. <BR> <BR>I admit that it's pretty surprising to have skied Killington in october and Tucks, while you live in California. For Mammoth, I wouldn't try to do some comparisons with eastern ski areas, but I found funny to see that the main side is just 2263' high and you must ski a huge distance to do the official 3100' vertical (on the trail map, it even looks to be impossible without taking a lift somewhere) <BR> <BR>Anyway, in my opinion, I prefer the quality to quantity, so the size of the ski areas don't really count for me. Owl's Head is in the "big ones" of here and there is simply no interesting terrain there. I prefer to go to Mt Avalanche (540 feet high) than Owl's Head (540 meters high), as they have one of the best gladed terrain in the Laurentians. I must say the AAA are 3 of the smallest in the region, but also 3 of the bests ! (alta, avalanche, avila) <BR> <BR>I hope you'll have the chance to pass a whole winter of skiing in few years !... and just do like Duffy which arrived last week to his 200th ski day of this season if I don't mistake !!!!!
 
You scored 34 ??? <BR>ouch... It looks like we're in presence of a real die-hard here ! <BR> <BR>In fact, I think there it lots of question we could add, but I just traduced an old article <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>I guess the authors placed in the same boat the heliskiing + catskiing, but I admit this is not really the same. It's sad, we had 2 snowcat ski areas here, but they no longer exist. 1 have been replaced by chairlifts, but it just opened 5-6 years before bankruptcy (they should have continued without lifts) and the other opened just few years ago and I didn't get news of it after 1-2 years of operations, so I think they simply closed. They were probably not some places for 13' in 3 weeks, but more something like 20+' of snow during the winter. (one just beside le Massif du Sud (Grande-Coulée) and the other near the Chic-Chocs (Vallée-Taconique). <BR> <BR>La Réserve were supposed to open the supersteep backside for snowcat skiing, in 2001-02 for the holiday week, but it rained just before the week, so the trails would have been unskiable anyway. <BR> <BR>Anyway, that is not Revelstoke or Nelson for sure, but I agree that the snowcat skiing is something on my wish list before I'm 50.
 
I noticed the snowcat skiing omission also. I have 13 days of snowcat. And the majority of the better areas (with the conspicuous exception of Island Lake) are between Nelson and Revelstoke along the Selkirks in B.C. <BR> <BR>It is possible to ski from the top of Mammoth to the base of chair 15 (now Eagle Express) without taking a lift. There's a short traverse to Dave's Run to start and some flat beginner area near the bottom. <BR> <BR>But it is correct that Mammoth sprawls a great horizontal distance (2 miles at the top and at least 5 at the bottom), and combined with the 3-layered topography most continuous fall lines are around 1,000 vertical feet. <BR> <BR>Really long continuous verticals are not that common, as evidenced by the few areas qualified to hold a World Cup Downhill. Snowbird was the only one in Utah (never used due to logistics and avalanche issues with the road) until the recent Snowbasin expansion. <BR> <BR>This brings me to a constructive suggestion for Frankontour's first trip west: Red Mountain. Red's forte is the steep tree skiing, with numerous lines over 2,000 vertical. Red used to host World Cup DH, but the new Motherlode triple chair on Granite might interfere with the prior course location. Rossland is also a dirt cheap place to stay. And you can use the money you save for one of those Selkirk snowcat areas which are a couple hours drive north from Red/Rossland.
 
About the snowcats in BC, I don't know how the recent accidents will affect the market. 2 avalanches in something like 2 weeks with over 20 deads if I don't mistake... it's not really good for the market's confidence. <BR> <BR>Thanks for the info about Mammoth. It's not obvious on the map that it's possible by Dave's run to continue to bottom. Many ski areas cheat like that... no possible way to continue to bottom. I think the worst is Deer Valley. If I don't mistake, the max vertical possible is well under 2000' in a continuous run. <BR> <BR>Effectively, there is just few places that have a continuous steep run of ±3000' high, for the men's olympics downhill standard. Nothing exceptionnal in the east and not so much in the west. <BR> <BR>I think the 1000' vertical for some sides / lifts is something quite common in North America. It's fun to do some super long runs, but generally, there is always some less interesting places in the run so I prefer a 1000' with a good terrain T2B. <BR> <BR>So even though I don't really consider the vertical drop of the ski areas, under 1000' high, the good places are some exceptions, IMO, cause the good trails are not enough long. Alta (QC) is of course the biggest of those exceptions, with a terrain similar to the part of Mad River Glen above the mid-station, but quite bigger than just 7 trails. (as soon as you unload of the chair, you're in the moguls / powder and they stop when you're at bottom. <BR> <BR>The less high, good ski area in the East was probably the 425' high Mt Plante just 2-3 miles off Alta in the Laurentians. <BR> <BR>The front trails were really narrow (under 20' of average) and all was going right down at 30-40 degrees T2B. It was steep steep steep. So since 22-23 years that it's closed, the telemarkers still do maintenance in the trails and it's perfectly skiable during winter, in 2' of powder everytime, as it's in the powder zone of Val Morin / Val David. Here is a shot of it from the 2nd side (quite less steep) taken last summer. My camera was flattening a lot the scenery. <BR> <BR><IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/messages/8/2636.jpg" ALT="Mt Plante"> <BR> <BR>About Red Mountain, yes, I think this would be a possible choice for a first trip out west (unless I go for summer skiing at Timberline or Blackcomb). May be the problem with Red is that going out west, I would go for HSQ more than double & triples, cause with the price of a trip like that, I would like to ski for my money <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>But it remains a very interesting choice that I keep in mind. Here, I almost prefer the slow chairlifts and I think I will cry a lot with the new fast lift they'll built at Orford.
 
I don't believe last year's accidents will affect the demand for cat/heli/backcountry guided at all. Remember, these are patronized by us fanatics. If you want to get technical about it, avalanche risk is likely lower for snowcat because the proportion of tree skiing is much greater than most heli operators or Durrand Glacier. But it's not zero. Durrand Glacier was a VERY reputable operation from all I have read, including Mark Renson's article here on FTO. <BR> <BR>The well-established cat operators (Great Northern , Selkirk Wilderness, Island Lake) are heavily booked by repeat customers and very difficult to get in. Newer places like Retallack, White Grizzly and Baldface (all within 2 hours from Nelson or 3 from Rossland) are worth looking into and won't require a whole week stay. <BR> <BR>I recommended Red precisely because of its retro ambience: slow lifts, thus low skier density; steep, naturally gladed terrain. I've had 4 ski days there with no liftline problems, and you won't feel cheated after 20-25K of skiing given the challenge. In fact, even expert skiers should take a free guided tour to learn your way around. And guided tours at Red do go into the tough terrain. <BR> <BR>My only caveat about Red is that I saw it late February of a huge year (1997) and late January of an above average year (2000). Red is about the same altitude as Fernie with about 3/4 of the snowfall, so I'm sure it does not do well in dry (2001) or excessively warm (2003) seasons.
 
Hmm, this looks interesting for Red + catskiing in the region ! The sad thing of all this is that in the domain where I'm going to work (I begin in january), it's 100% impossible to take a week off during winter. Even 1 day off after a giga-storm will be impossible, at least in january. So I probably won't have the human possibility to ski in west before several years, so I don't plan a lot of things for now <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/sad.gif" ALT=":("> <BR> <BR>But your comments are very welcome and I note them. I must admit Red mountain is a place which intrigate me, since not far from a decade. (and I must say I'm a little bit curious of the ex "5 black diamonds" trails they had up to the early 90s if I don't mistake ! lol
 
I stand corrected, I counted question #2 by mistake - score is 26 instead of 27. 25, if you remove the winning a trip category. I am not necessarly interested in scoring much higher - although 30 is not impossible. <BR> <BR>There was a great Top100 (to-do list) in Skiing or SKI magazine a few years back. <BR> <BR>Frank, <BR> <BR>You should check with Skican (i believe the website site is http://www.skican.com&#41;. There are the cheapest trips out West I have found over the years. Like I mentioned before, there are great deals for late season Banff. The prices are also good for Red. For someone that has had to budget the amount I could spend, I say these have a better quality/money ratio than Whistler/Blackcomb. <BR> <BR>Although I loved my experience in Whistler (even if I didn't see a thing for one week), I had much better experiences in Banff. Generally 6days/night trip to Banff (1999 & 2000) have cost me and my wife (everything included - grocery, meals, air fare from Ottawa to Calgary) $2000-$2300 Canadian. Although it was in April, we had some days at -15c, powder, so it wasn't just spring skiing. In 2002, we did a Jasper/Banff combo in late March: $2500 (included rental car). <BR> <BR>Red is also a very good choice, even if I never made it there yet. Kicking Horse, Fernie are other places that would be good in my opinion.
 
About Skican, yes I know them pretty well, cause we receive from them a brochure each years for at least 10 years. We even don't know why they send us that as we never used their services, but I admit their prices are good. And on my side, it's probably more a matter of time than a matter of $$ (I wouldn't spend 6000$ neither for a ski trip in the Torngat of course !!!!!). Anyway I have always the problem of "nobody to go with" <BR> <BR>May be it will be possible for the late season, for me. If not, I'll probably fly out west or New Zealand on my summer vacation time (if I can't take weeks of vacations during winter !) <BR> <BR>I'm actually thinking of if I bring my skis to Tucks this weekend. 5-6 turns possible, according to the pics of yesterday on TFT ! Hope the weather will be good ! (I won't go if not)
 
Here goes... <BR> <BR>1. <BR>3. <BR>4. I run the ski patrol, so I always get first tracks and first chair and am there sometimes before the sun comes up <BR>5. <BR>6. Before I joined the patrol <BR>7. <BR>8. <BR>9. <BR>11. <BR>12. <BR>13. Broke it once and sprained it several times. Always my right one for some reason? <BR>14. <BR>15. <BR>16. <BR>17. <BR>18. <BR>19. <BR>20. <BR>23. <BR>24. <BR>25. <BR>29. <BR>30. <BR>31. How about just going and make up and excuse if they notice? <BR>32. <BR>33. <BR>34. Yes I'm depressed but there is still skiing to be done <BR> <BR>Not bad 27 <BR> <BR>For False onces that I've been close too. <BR> <BR>2. - I've done nothing but work and ski before <BR>26. - I've driven 12 hours to pitch a tent in the parking lot to ski May 28, 2001 at killington. I've also driven all night and hiked Tucks in August with skis only to decide the snow arch was a little to fragile to ski and still had a great time hauling that gear around in wicked heat. <BR>27. - I proposed to my wife at Sugarloaf on American Thanksgiving. (my wife is a non skier and had she not have come along for the trip I wouldn't have proposed) <BR>28. - I've never won the trip but would chose west over south any day. <BR>35. - I'm not going to mortgage the house but would love to go down under for some skiing <BR>36. - Someday.....someday <BR> <BR> <BR>Cheers <BR> <BR>JollyJ
 
Very good score JollyJ !! <BR>Honestly, I think we should change #28 for : If you win a trip to the south, you would exchange it for a trip in a ski place !! Because to win something is not depending of us. (unless we cheat <IMG SRC="http://www.firsttracksonline.com/discus2/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)">)
 
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