Best US Ski Towns

2,000 vertical one block from my house, but too low for skiing unfortunately. :icon-lol:

I wasn't proposing that as an absolute metric, just trying to come up with a zone for how people think around here.

Warrensburg is about 20 miles from Gore, 25 miles from here. Beyond that terrain flattens out. In the other direction Indian Lake is about 15 miles from here maybe 20 from Gore. That seems like the limit in that direction. South, maybe Speculator or Wells (Oak Mountain), to the north Newcomb.

I'm not using Gore because it's the center of our universe, but because many here would know of it. It is the center of our economy though. Indian Lake doesn't have a grocery store, the reason North Creek does, is clearly Gore.
 
Indian Lake doesn't have a grocery store, the reason North Creek does, is clearly Gore.
Your forum has been discussing North Creek's unique situation for years. How accurate is the AI summary below?

North Creek has seen ongoing development tied to Gore Mountain and the surrounding recreation economy but it hasn’t “exploded” into a fully built-out, ski-town destination in the way some other resort towns (e.g., North Conway, VT/NH or Lake Tahoe, CA/NV) have. The reasons are a mix of infrastructure limits, ownership/management structure, planning challenges, and the nature of the Adirondack region:

1. Insufficient wastewater/sewer infrastructure for supporting larger lodging and commercial projects.

  • A long-planned new lodge and associated amenities were delayed for years because the Town of Johnsburg lacked a wastewater system capable of serving them, which in turn held up permits and investment. NYS Olympic Authority+1
  • Recently, ORDA (the state authority running Gore Mountain) began building its own treatment system to move around this constraint, but this kind of workaround reflects how basic infrastructure gaps have constrained growth. adirondackexplorer.org

2. North Creek is a hamlet (small village) with a relatively small population and limited commercial base — and while Gore Mountain is the major economic engine, the village isn’t owned or operated by a resort developer the way in major ski towns:

  • The ski area and the historic Ski Bowl are operated by the New York State Olympic Regional Development Authority (ORDA) in partnership with the Town of Johnsburg, not by a private resort company with strong incentives to build hotels, condos, and year-round attractions. Wikipedia
  • This public-sector structure means that development often moves at a slower pace with more bureaucratic coordination required (state, town boards, Adirondack Park Agency, etc.).

3. North Creek and Gore Mountain sit within the Adirondack Park — a vast protected area with strict land-use/environmental regulations.

Big resort-style development requires Adirondack Park Agency (APA) approvals (beyond local zoning), which adds time, complexity, and constraints on what can be built.
  • This regulatory context is one reason why multi-phase plans for things like Ski Bowl Village and expanded ski terrain have taken years and several permit rounds to move forward. Front Street Partners

4. Rather than a single, rapid boom, most growth has been incremental and phased:

  • Over the past decade+ Gore Mountain expanded trails, installed gondolas/lifts, and connected multiple peaks — which has gradually increased skier visitation. Wikipedia
  • The North Creek Ski Bowl area has been undergoing redevelopment with a new lodge, lift upgrades, and a year-round zip coaster, with construction now underway and projected to finish in 2025 — something that could be a catalyst for further private investment. NYS Olympic Authority+1
  • Land transfers and approvals for additional ski terrain and amenities have been secured, but full build-out of proposals like lodging and residential ski-in/ski-out communities is still a multi-year process. Front Street Partners

5. North Creek is relatively remote compared with larger ski markets and doesn’t yet have the critical mass of lodging, dining, and entertainment that attracts big destination tourism dollars.

  • Gore Mountain attracts many day-trippers from the Northeast, but destination overnight tourism that fuels big resort-town growth (hotels, condo developments, après scenes) is less established, in part because of infrastructure and investment scale.
 
Interesting story in yesterday's NY Times (Saturday, Dec. 13) about the proposed $3 billion base development at Killington. We'll see if the development company can get all of the necessary approvals from local authorities and the state of Vermont to build out such a huge new base area.
 
Your forum has been discussing North Creek's unique situation for years. How accurate is the AI summary below?


I’d be curious to hear Harvey’s take as someone who’s now living in the Crick.

As someone who grew up skiing Gore, and having lived in and just outside the Blue Line many years ago, the summary seems pretty accurate to me. I’d maybe take issue with 5. Since the Northway went in, it’s actually not physically all that remote. Culturally though, it feels worlds away from Lake George and Queensbury to the south.

Number 3. is the biggest reason why Johnsburg and the Adirondack region is the way it is. Laws and regulations favor the environmental concerns of those outside of the park over the needs and concerns of the residents. As a result, there’s few jobs and many live in poverty. Without access to jobs, many young adults and growing families are forced to live elsewhere, populations are declining and communities are dying.

IMO, the residents of The Park deserve greater control and autonomy over what happens in their region. I’m all for protecting the environment and preserving ecosystems, but there needs to be a better balance that allows for more types of outdoor recreation, tourism, and industry. Until that happens, I don’t see much changing regionally or in North Creek. Hopefully, I’m proven wrong!
 
Your forum has been discussing North Creek's unique situation for years. How accurate is the AI summary below?

In my opinion these are symptoms not causes.

I don't know. Waste water and hotel beds and all of it would happen if they would yield ROI.

The difference I see between Lake Placid and North Creek is the amount of state largesse (over decades), and the view from downtown. Is that enough? Maybe the distance from Albany has something to do with it.

FWIW NC works for me personally. I am not longing for it to be more. It is likely a minority opinion.
 
The difference I see between Lake Placid and North Creek is the amount of state largesse (over decades), and the view from downtown. Is that enough? Maybe the distance from Albany has something to do with it.
It would seem that the situation Harvey and @takeahike46er are referring to -- three ski areas funded by New York State that lead to heated (often political) discussions about the role of government in tourism, people's livelihoods, housing, commercial development, environmental issues, traffic, etc. -- is very unique and something that people from outside the region probably can't even fathom. Or maybe not?

Do all ski towns have similar challenges no matter where the funding originates or who operates the resort? It seems like the significant difference is that there are major regulations inside New York's "blue line" around the Adirondacks and Catskills. Isn't Banff a bit like that? I recall that you need a job there to qualify for housing.
 
Do all ski towns have similar challenges no matter where the funding originates or who operates the resort? It seems like the significant difference is that there are major regulations inside New York's "blue line" around the Adirondacks and Catskills.
In the USA, the Adirondack Park and the state government's involvement in the ski mountains is unique. There are other destination resorts owned by a state, but the operator has a long-term lease. For example, Winter Park is owned by the City & County of Denver. Of course, in the Rockies most of the terrain is U.S. Forest Service land. Very different rules for the USFS than in NY State.

As for employee housing, that's an issue for every ski resort. Regardless of region, small family-owned ski hills are always recruiting staff in all departments.
 
In the USA, the Adirondack Park and the state government's involvement in the ski mountains is unique. There are other destination resorts owned by a state, but the operator has a long-term lease. For example, Winter Park is owned by the City & County of Denver. Of course, in the Rockies most of the terrain is U.S. Forest Service land. Very different rules for the USFS than in NY State.
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As for employee housing, that's an issue for every ski resort. Regardless of region, small family-owned ski hills are always recruiting staff in all departments.
Yea, my small local ski hill, for many years, would recruit many of their seasonal workers - cafeteria, liftties, rental shop, etc. - from various South American countries; mostly college kids down there who are on their "Summer vacation" and jumped at the opportunity to come live and work in the US for 3 months or so. (Plus, the kids could learn to ski or snowboard!) I'm not sure if this is still happening, given the changes in our immigration policies. The area did own a few neighboring houses where some of the seasonal workers lived and they would find rentals for the other kids.
 
Yea, my small local ski hill, for many years, would recruit many of their seasonal workers - cafeteria, liftties, rental shop, etc. - from various South American countries; mostly college kids down there who are on their "Summer vacation" and jumped at the opportunity to come live and work in the US for 3 months or so. (Plus, the kids could learn to ski or snowboard!) I'm not sure if this is still happening, given the changes in our immigration policies. The area did own a few neighboring houses where some of the seasonal workers lived and they would find rentals for the other kids.
Still happening. J1 visas were issued for the 2025-26 season. There was worry in the summer that it might become an issue. It was a huge issue during the pandemic season 2020-21.

Not sure what happened for H1B visas, which apply more for more experienced people such as high-level instructors. At destination resorts popular with the rich folks from S. America, instructors who are fluent in Spanish can do well during the ski season.
 
USA Today put out a list recently of the 10 best US ski towns. See here

From #10 to #1: McCall, Bend, Stowe, Aspen, Lake Placid, Breckenridge, Truckee, Jackson, Mammoth Lakes, North Conway.

A couple surprises for me and places I've never been are McCall and Truckee. I've driven by Truckee and never stopped. I thought it was just an Idaho Springs type of roadside retail strip, but maybe I'm wrong?
Truckee is very different from the ski towns that currently appeal to upscale travelers such as Jackson, Aspen, Breck, or Lake Placid.

It is a flawed question.
Truckee has become a much better ski town in the last 20 years. I will eat there before driving back in its downtown. You could not really buy in Tahoe City, so it became a much better alternative.
There are some ski towns that actually draw bigger crowds in summer, than winter, such as Jackson, WY, South Lake Tahoe, CA/NV. Those can be great places to visit in winter because there is an abundance of lodging at decent prices.
When I moved to Truckee/N Tahoe in Fall 1975, I first stayed with friends in small house on Truckee River just N of Big Chief (on CA-89 closer to Palisades than Truckee). Then I shared rental in Prosser Lakeview Estates, a couple of miles N of Truckee for 6 months. We were the only house on our block that is now totally built out. Then friends and I shared 4-bedroom log house (big logs - 3 or 4 of them made downstairs walls) near Sunnyside on the W Shore of Tahoe a couple of miles S of Tahoe City for a year. Finally, I had a studio apartment with a view of Donner Lake out then kitchen window for my last couple of months.

Truckee benefits and suffers from being on I-80, and to a lesser extent the main railroad line from Chicago to Northern CA. If there is a big storm that shuts down I-80, as often seems to happen at the end of a holiday period or weekend, getting anywhere in town can be a nightmare with parked or stopped traffic blocking roads near CA-89 and I-80 and along old US-40/Donner Pass Rd. And when there is new snow, traffic getting from I-80/CA-89 can make for an hour or more drive for the 10 miles to Palisades (~12 to Alpine). While the railroad provides some jobs and transportation options with a downtown Amtrak station, it also makes some pollution and a lot of noise near downtown, sometimes in the middle of the night. Before the CA-267 bridge over the Truckee River was built, almost all traffic from Truckee/I80 to Northstar had to cross RR tracks in downtown.

Two things Truckee has are a lot of nearby ski areas and many neighborhood options. There are the 4 ski areas on Donner Pass plus the largest XC area in the US is there and even closer to Truckee, Tahoe Donner has both downhill and XC. Then there are 5 more areas (Northstar, Palisades, which almost counts as two areas, and small Granlibakken) if you go as far as Homewood (which used to be two areas) and Diamond Peak. And Mt Rose, and Sky Tavern are within an hour of Truckee (not today!) and there is Pacific Crest Snowcat very close to Truckee off CA-89

Tahoe Donner has a small downhill (I boarded there in Winter 2007 in 2-3" new with two 15 year-olds) and large cross country ski area, golf course, clubhouses with pools and restaurants, and private beach and marina on Donner Lake. It's one of the largest HOAs in the US with almost 6,500 homes and ~$3,000 annual dues. Besides the HOA, another disadvantage of Tahoe Donner is that road most people use to enter and exit the 6,500 homes is steep enough to often have accidents/closures/problems. Some friends I stay with live on road closest to CA-89 off backway into Tahoe Donner. No HOA although they have to pay for road maintenance and snowplowing and homes range from $2-7M. A couple of older neighborhoods near Truckee are Ponderosa Palisades, across the street from regional park that has Summer music series and Sierra Meadows that has small HOA fee and more amenities. More info about them. Average home prices in Truckee ~$1M and many local workers are having to commute from Reno area.

Some other older neighborhoods are S (very shaded in Winter) and W of Donner Lake and there are some houses along (and across street from) Donner Lake between I-80 and where old highway goes uphill to Sugar Bowl and Donner Ski Ranch. Then there are the new and expensive areas such as Old Greenwood, near I-80 and Schaeffer's Mill and Martis Camp, gated, very expensive neighborhoods close to Northstar. There is also an older, large neighborhood E of Truckee (very cold area) named Glenshire. So, there is a lot more to Truckee that the historical downtown and the business corridor near I-80/CA-89 and along Donner Pass Rd. The historic downtown still contains two bars, Bar of America in old BofA building and Past Time Club, and two eateries, Squeeze In and Wagon Train, that were popular almost 50 years ago when I lived there. There are also many new businesses downtown and off road to Northstar.

I think South Lake is more of a ski town than Truckee with Heavenly having one base on US-50 in Stateline, the main CA base on edge of town a couple of miles away and two more bases off Kingsbury Grade (the route I use to get to Mammoth, 2 1/2 hours away with stop for cheap NV gas). You also have two nearby ski areas: Sierra-at-Tahoe, not much over 15 miles away and on Ikon, and Kirkwood, about 35 miles from So. Tahoe on Epic. Besides casino with gambling, many entertainment and food options, you have many ski shops and other stores and restaurants.
 
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