Cannon, NH: 02/19/05

Passion is a better word for this. In any case, those who want to ski bumps better need areas they can go to and learn. When you look at all the effort spent on terrain parks and race courses, I think Joe's point is very well taken...why can't bump skiers get a little corner of the mountain too? It's great to say that bumps form regardless, but do you remember when you were learning to ski bumps the first time? How intimidated were you skiing in uneven terrain, especially right next to experienced bumpers who were ripping tight lines? Sort of like being overweight and going to the gym to lift weights next to bodybuilders...pretty discouraging.
Ever get yelled at to "get out of my line"? Hope you see my point.

The ski industry as a whole wants more skier/boarder visits and terrain is a marketing tool used to accomplish that. Leave out a segment and they will go elsewhere. Just take a look at the thread about snowboards at Taos.
 
who cares if they are tough on your knees if you have fun skiing them... I've had knee surgery multiple times and I'm still skiing them, its what i enjoy, if you enjoy bumps--- then ski them---, if you are worried about your knees then you prolly shouldn't ski, kneel, run, walk, play basketball, tennis, football..... jeez
 
I've stayed out of the "my knees hurt" argument. All I'll say is that I hear it alot but when I see how the folks who complain about it ski bumps, I don't wonder anymore why they hurt.

Bumps don't make my knees hurt, or my back, or anything else.

The tree I hit at MRG a few years ago, now that hurt!
 
salida":3d5k9tq3 said:
who cares if they are tough on your knees if you have fun skiing them... I've had knee surgery multiple times and I'm still skiing them, its what i enjoy, if you enjoy bumps--- then ski them---, if you are worried about your knees then you prolly shouldn't ski, kneel, run, walk, play basketball, tennis, football..... jeez
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I still ski them, but I don't necessarly enjoy the rock hard bumps conditions of artificial snow. I am not one to limit myself because of my knees, BUT I UNDERSTAND THOSE WHO DO. Porter, I am not sure how old you are, but as you get older (not with case, but I am told :roll: ) your body doesn't necessarly agree with you enjoy. I know that some of the early Hot-doggers from the late 60s probably did and enjoyed the bumps more than anything back then, but don't necessarly ski them today, even if they enjoyed them then.

You would be impress by some of the older skiers (age and ability) that show up on the Wednesday night Masters races. I would love to be able to still perform like that at 80, even if I wouldn't be able to ski Outer-Limits, WhiteHeat bumped up.
 
JimG.":3qfnidbc said:
Bumps don't make my knees hurt, or my back, or anything else.
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Don't get me started about my back injury. :lol: The back injury is totally unrelated to skiing (except when I discovered that I definately had a problem). :roll:

Any other body parts? Head? Thumbs? Shoulders / Collar bone? :shock:

In my case, a hurting body back or knees are more related to past injuries (skiing or not) than skiing bumps, heck, in the past I have had a sore back skiing blue groomers and from anyone who have seen me ski, they definately know that it's not a technic thing. BUT PEOPLE WITH A BAD TECHNIC could definately make matters worse.
 
JimG. said:
I've stayed out of the "my knees hurt" argument. All I'll say is that I hear it alot but when I see how the folks who complain about it ski bumps, I don't wonder anymore why they hurt.
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oh yeah!!!!!
salida, usually you are pretty reasonable in your posts, but i think u hit a patch of ice and crashed the bus with the last one. i don't think it is unreasonable to expect the average person to have to put some real hard work and effort into being able to ski a certain way or ski certain types of terrain. but to expect the non pro skier to have to ski in pain or conceed that multiple operations are going to be the norm... you lose me there bro
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I stopped running because of the fatigue on my knees. I figured if I'm going to pound my knees, I'd rather do it skiing bumps than drudge running. And yes, I agree that technique can help preserve/prolong your knees. But everybody's knees feel good in spring bumps!! Seed or not seed, doesn't really matter to me, it's all good. Ski some glades, and then go back to the bumps, they seem a little easier then.
 
and another thing salida, please don't try and compare bump skiing to any of the other recreational activites you cited....skiing is on another plane than any of those things... and bump skiing is on a different planet :wink:
 
beatlenut: most lifts start spinning in nov.... corm bumps might pop up around march 20th or so, on a regular basis....lets try and stay focused here :roll:
 
all i was trying to get at is that doing any of those things can be just as harmful to your knees as skiing, I am not actually comparing them to skiing, just to what damage they can do to your knees. I also did not mean to infer that one should ski in pain either. I am just saying if you enjoy skiing in the bumps than go do it...
 
joegm":3jy31oh8 said:
beatlenut: most lifts start spinning in nov.... corm bumps might pop up around march 20th or so, on a regular basis....lets try and stay focused here :roll:
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Focused on what? Your rant!! Seems no one on this list can say anything about bumps that you don't take an issue with! You're a good bump skier, yes, no, who cares! The nature of the sport is to ski the mountain and it's constantly changing conditions. You take what you get and adapt your technique to fit the conditions. By doing that over time, you become a better skier, and can handle any types of bumps in any conditions!
 
First let me apologize for forgetting to sign in earlier. I was the "guest" that got Joe all RILED UP. (but I was not the guest who wrote that bizarre post about kids heading for injury and death....).

Just some follow up:
Please don't call my post "dismissive" when your's are chock full of eye-rolling ( :roll: ).

Not that it matters, but because you seem focused on some assumptions. No, I'm not a racer. Haven't bashed a single gate in my life.

You made a (hard to follow) comment about how I would feel about "groomed" racing courses and Hermann Meyer. Just like in racing, mogul competitions are held on laid-out closed courses. That's seems like a good idea to me...what was the issue?

By "circuit" I meant the World Cup Freestyle Curcuit...and the Olympics. (and no I'm not bringing names into, they last thing they need is some internet quote becasue thier dufus friend (me) got talking on a forum)

Racers may have just as many knee problems as mogul skiers, I don't know any racers and don't follow racing. I do follow moguls skiing and hear lots of reports about season-ending and career-ending knee injuries. By "disproportionate" I meant compared to the general public or even skiers in general. And I only made this point because you said "good bump skiers DO NOT HAVE strain on the knees". Although now you've changed that to "there is a way to ski bumps that limits the impact on knees". I can agree with that revised statement but it's far different from where you started.

Look, I wasn't trying to rain on your parade. If you are attending camps and finding decent seeded bump lines at Loon...Great! You're a self proclaimed mogul fanatic, and I think that's fantastic. I only jumped in to the fray, becasue this thread started as an awsome trip report about a great day at my favorite place, and you launched an attack about Cannon's management even though you weren't there apparently don't go that often. Different strokes for different folks. I LOVE the front trails at Cannon exactly the way they are. If they started seeding bumps on one of these trails and suddenly novice bump skiers started flocking to it, you would be happy...I would be sad. What can you do?
 
joe, i appreciate your response. i know at least one full timer at cannon reads these boards on occasion and perhaps cannon will see the demand for a seeded bump run and possible benefits to providing intermediate skiers a place to develop non-groomed skiing technique.

frenchbasher":2sbusens said:
I doubt if their qualifications include a University degree, either. Don't expect an educated, experienced opinion on these ski boards. In fact I'ld say that many of the moderators are nothing but poorly educated censors in the Soviet model who will block any poster who posts the actual truth.
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for the record, B.S. Psychology & Criminal Justice, UMass Lowell 2000. i don't recall seeing any censored posts, but the way you're heading (again), i am sure it won't be long.

Anonymous":2sbusens said:
ld like to know what makes you an expert on this? Is it your lack of age or experience? I get a big kick out of you kids that are heading for serious injury or death posting on the internet like you know everything about life.
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perhaps you'd care to share some of your infinite wisedom with us "kids." you obviously seem to have the world figured out better than i do. i never claimed to be an expert, but i am speaking from personal experience and i think many knowledgable ski instructors would agree that when you ski with correct technique and form, you hurt less regardless of what type of terrain you're on. glad you get a kick outta "kids" like me! :D pretty soon i'll be wise and learned and your age and saying the same exact thing. but i sure hope not!
 
Anonymous":1eowsm6p said:
I was the "guest" that got Joe all RILED UP. (but I was not the guest who wrote that bizarre post about kids heading for injury and death....).
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Geez...This is another case, I am the anonymous, but not that anonymous from last year I believe. :lol:

Sorry for the bad joke Guest, this has happened before. I enjoyed reading your point of view, however a few negative points and personal attacks have unfortunately clouded the discussion.

As for knee injuries: I don't know many mogul comp skiers so I cannot comment on the odds of them getting knee injuries, but I know a few past racers ... as mentionned earlier...
I believe Racers have as high (if not higher) rate on knee injuries than bumpers (no source here, just I feeling).
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Cannon is definately a fun place, unfortunately it's a bit far from home. Sorry River0il if this report is becoming another classic Cannon rant, wait until the Spring and it will become the 3rd annual Killington closing day rant :wink: :lol:
 
3rd annual Killington closing day rant
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normally i'd say i can't wait, but the annual killington closing rant always signals the end of lift serviced for the season and the thread inevitably lasts the entire summer, lol. :lol:
 
riverc0il":3eu2ezi4 said:
i don't recall seeing any censored posts, but the way you're heading (again), i am sure it won't be long.
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That's pretty amusing, I needed a little chuckle. Tell me, why would you expect to see a censored post? A censor would block posts that conflicts with his group's propaganda or beliefs so you really wouldn't see them, would you? I wonder if you are putting in some kind of hidden threat there, but actually, I don't feel threatened in any way. I don't need to post on any of these amaturistic board. In fact, I am better off doing something else.
 
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