Driving to ski East vs. flying to ski West

I don't remember I70 when we drove to Vail in 1969 from Denver
Eisenhower tunnel opened in 1973. Traffic stats here: http://www.dot.state.co.us/Eisenhower/trafficcounts.asp. Attention spring skiers: April and May are the lowest traffic months of the year!

The areas on or close to I-70 within daytrip distance from Denver that draw the traffic volume (Loveland to Beaver Creek) total ~6 million skier visits. Not counting close to another million to Winter Park, where the Berthoud road branches off I-70 before the tunnel. Also not counting places like Aspen and Steamboat, where most of the business is destination but some of those visitors get there via I-70.
 
Tony Crocker":1b70mg94 said:
I don't remember I70 when we drove to Vail in 1969 from Denver
Eisenhower tunnel opened in 1973.

At the time that the Eisenhower Tunnel was under construction in the early 1970s, I-70 was pretty much already in place, save for the Glenwood Canyon stretch and, of course, the Tunnel bypass of US 6 over Loveland Pass. I recall clearly -- my family was in Boulder at the time.
 
When was Vail Pass completed? That's a snow pocket, gets close to 400 inches, probably a very tough drive before I-70. I drove Glenwood Canyon in 1986 and 1990. I vaguely recall that I-70 was being constructed there during one of those trips.
 
Tony Crocker":2ivrjul4 said:
When was Vail Pass completed? That's a snow pocket, gets close to 400 inches, probably a very tough drive before I-70.

OK, now that you mention it I'm a bit hazy on Vail Pass, too. Coulda been Interstate, coulda been two-lane in the early 70s. (I was barely 5-6 years old at the time, after all!) I do recall, though, having to get a room in Vail one night because the pass was closed as my family was traveling eastbound from Snowmass to head home.
 
OK, I found the answers at http://www.dot.state.co.us/50anniversary/I70.cfm:

Between Genesee Mountain and El Rancho Exit (2 miles) Construction Completed: 1972

Between El Rancho Exit ( Evergreen Parkway ) and Beaver Brook (4.0 miles) Construction Began: 1970 Construction Completed: 1972

Between Beaver Brook and Junction U.S. 6 (4 miles) Construction Completed: 1975

Between Junction U.S. 6 and east Idaho Springs (3 miles) Construction Completed: 1961

Between east & west Idaho Springs – Idaho Springs Bypass (2 miles) Construction Completed: 1961

Between west Idaho Springs and Junction U.S. 40 – Empire (7 miles) Construction Completed: 1966

Between Junction U.S. 40 and Silver Plume (6 miles) Construction Completed: 1968

Between Silver Plume and Eisenhower Tunnel (10 miles) Construction Completed: 1972

EISENHOWER-JOHNSON MEMORIAL TUNNELS

Length: 1.7 miles

Cost: $117 million (Eisenhower Tunnel Bore)

Cost: $-145 million (Johnson Tunnel Bore)

Construction Began: 1968 (Eisenhower Tunnel Bore)

Construction Began: 1975 (Johnson Tunnel Bore)

Completion: March 8, 1973 (Eisenhower Tunnel Bore)

Completion: 1979 (Johnson Tunnel Bore)

To alleviate the distance and rigors of travel over U.S. Hwy. 6 at Loveland Pass , the Colorado Department of Highways developed plans for two two-lane tunnels beneath the Continental Divide three miles from Loveland Pass at elevation 11,000 feet.

The Eisenhower Tunnel Bore, today's westbound bore, was the first tunnel completed. It was planned for three years but actually required five years due to unanticipated hazards and the harsh climate. The tunnel bore was 50 feet high and 45 feet wide.

The Eisenhower Memorial Tunnel was dedicated on March 8, 1973. Federal funds had accounted for about 92% of the $108 million cost. At the height of construction, more than 1,140 persons were employed in three shifts, 24 hours a day, six days a week. The prime contractor was actually a consortium of four contractors – Al Johnson Construction Company ( Minneapolis , MN); Gibbons & Reed Company ( Salt Lake City , UT ); Kemper Construction Company ( Los Angeles , CA ); and Western Paving Construction Company ( Denver , CO ).

The Edwin C. Johnson Memorial Tunnel, named for the Colorado legislator, lieutenant governor, governor, and U.S. Senator, required more than 800 workers. Just under 500 of those workers were employed in actual drilling operations. Work began at both the east and west sides; the first hole connecting the two was blasted on August 17, 1978.

Between Eisenhower Tunnel and Silverthorne (7 miles) Construction Completed: 1973

Between Silverthorne and Frisco (5 miles) Construction Began: 1971 Construction Completed: 1972

Between Frisco and Wheeler Junction – Tenmile Canyon – Junction State Highway 91 (6 miles) Construction Began: 1976 Construction Completed: 1979

Between Wheeler Junction and east Vail (15 miles) Construction Began: 1969 Construction Completed: 1978

POINT OF INTEREST> What route to take? The Vail Pass segment was the subject of much controversy before it was constructed along a route that parallels or shares much of the U.S. 6 route. The Colorado Department of Highways (CDOH) originally proposed to build I-70 west from Silverthorne via the South Willow Creek alignment, through the Eagles Nest Wilderness Area, tunneling under the Gore Range and Red Buffalo Pass, and continuing west via the Gore Creek alignment to Vail (see map). The CDOH dropped the idea after many adversarial public hearings where there was much opposition to going through a wilderness area (see map).

Between east Vail and Dowd Junction area - U.S. 6 & 24 (6 miles) Construction Began: 1967 Construction Completed: 1968 Cost: $2,711,132

Between Dowd Junction area and Avon (4 miles) Construction Completed: 1970 Contractor: Pioneer Construction

Between Avon and Wolcott (10 miles) Construction Completed: 1971

Between Wolcott and Eagle (10 miles) Construction Completed: 1973

Between Eagle and Gypsum (8 miles) Construction Began: 1977 Construction Completed: 1979 Cost: $13.5 million Resident Engineer: Jim Nimon

Between Gypsum and East End of Glenwood Canyon (7.8 miles) Construction Completed: 1980


GLENWOOD CANYON I-70 FINAL LINK

Length: 12 miles

Cost: $490 million

Construction Began: 1980

Construction Completed: 1992

A road had existed through spectacular Glenwood Canyon , with its cliffs towering a maximum of 2,000 feet above the Colorado River , from pioneer times. Photos of teams and wagons negotiating a rough trail through the canyon date from the 1880s.

The Taylor State Road was completed between Denver and Grand Junction in 1902. It was the first improved vehicle road through Glenwood Canyon .

The final link of I-70 through Glenwood Canyon has been hailed as an engineering marvel because of the care taken to incorporate the interstate improvements into the fragile canyon environment while leaving as much of the flora and fauna intact as possible.

As many as 500 highway workers were employed in the canyon each day. The public driving through the area marveled at the new retaining walls, 40 viaducts and bridges, some of which were construction using unique and spectacular slip-form gantry imported from France . At traffic sometimes that sometimes approached 30 minutes or more, drivers had a chance to get out of their vehicles and watch first-hand at the construction activities going on around them.

Construction of three tunnels, 15 miles of retaining walls, and numerous other structures, comprised a challenging but very rewarding project. The Glenwood Canyon project required 30 million points of structural steel, 30 million pounds of reinforcing steel, and 400,000 cubic yards of concrete weighing 1.62 billion pounds.

The result of the Glenwood Canyon I-70 Final Link is much more than just a transportation facility. State-of-the-art rest areas at No Name, Grizzly Creek, Hanging Lake , and Bair Ranch provide opportunities for rest, education about the canyon and the project, and direct access to recreational pursuits such as river rafting and bicycling/jogging/walking along the canyon's recreation path.

Between No Name and Glenwood Springs (3 miles) Construction Began: 1964 Construction Completed: 1966

Between Glenwood Springs and Chacra (7 miles) Construction Completed: 1971

Between Chacra and New Castle (4 miles) Construction Completed: 1971 Cost: approximately $4 million

Between New Castle and Silt (8 miles) Construction Completed: 1973

Between Silt and west Rifle (11 miles) Construction Completed: 1976

Between west Rifle and Rulison (6 miles) Construction Completed: 1980

Between Rulison and Parachute (6 miles) Construction Completed: 1983

Between Parachute and De Beque (13 miles) Construction Completed: 1984

Between De Beque and Junction State Highway 65 – De Beque Canyon (13 miles) Construction Began: 1985 Construction Completed: 1989

Between Junction State Highway 65 and Clifton (12 miles) Construction Began: 1960 Construction Completed: 1963

Between Clifton and Horizon Drive - north Grand Junction (6 miles) Construction Completed: 1965

Between Horizon Drive and 22 Road (5 miles) Construction Began: 1965 Construction Completed: 1967

Between 22 Road and Fruita (6 miles) Construction Began: 1967 or 1968 Construction Completed: 1969

Between Fruita and Mack (8 miles) Construction Completed: 1972

Between Mack and Utah State Line (11 miles) Construction Completed: 1973
 
jasoncapecod":10xsk9kw said:
I agree with Rob's points on driving. I live west of the Hudson. I find 87 to have the best road conditions and traffic. For the Catskills ,Dacks and S.VT resorts 87 is the way to go. For Stowe and points north. 95 to 91to 89 is my best option. The drive to Stowe is 95% highway..
By the way, all bets are off on Friday..

Since I don't stay in stowe and prefer to stay in burlington.... i.e. flexibility, I take 87 up and switch to the route 7 in vermont. I think maybe one of these times I may go up all the way on 87, and then take the ferry across the lake champlain. Has anyone taken that ferry before? How long does it take? It sounds like a fun.
 
rfarren":12dd0tlu said:
Since I don't stay in stowe and prefer to stay in burlington.... i.e. flexibility, I take 87 up and switch to the route 7 in vermont. I think maybe one of these times I may go up all the way on 87, and then take the ferry across the lake champlain. Has anyone taken that ferry before? How long does it take? It sounds like a fun.

The only ferry that runs in winter is the one from South Hero to Plattsburgh, which takes you way out of the way if you're heading from NYC to Burlington. However, all of them add an inordinate amount of time to your drive. The one from Port Kent to Charlotte is around 20 minutes to cross, IIRC, and the one to Burlington takes an hour.

The route of choice from I-87 to Burlington involves getting off the Northway at x20 in Queensbury, taking 149 east to Ft. Ann, then US 4 through Whitehall to just cross the border into Vermont before exiting at Fairhaven and taking 22A to Vergennes. There head north on US 7.

When I lived in Burlington I reported to an office in Albany. I also had all of NE NYS as my territory and drove everywhere. While there's a slight savings in taking a back way from S Glens Falls to Ft. Ann, it's not worth the headache of a novice trying to follow those town-road directions over taking 149.
 
Marc_C":1o5nuzzy said:
jamesdeluxe":1o5nuzzy said:
Bushwacker1951":1o5nuzzy said:
Actually most of the resorts are not on I70 but since it is the only way out of the mountains for a large part of the state many skiers/riders end up on I70.
I think that was his point... even if they're not directly on I-70, most aren't far from it:
http://www.skireport.com/googlemap/?regionid=87
Gee, I don't know - I count 17 out of 25 that would be accessed from some portion of I-70. :wink: Is that most? O:)

Able to access is not the same as being on the interstate.
:brick: :-"
 
Bushwacker1951":3fyq07nz said:
Able to access is not the same as being on the interstate.
So where is the imaginary semantic line drawn? Aspen is, what, 30 miles off of I-70? But everyone going there, from either direction, uses I-70. Breck is even closer to I-70, but Breck traffic adds to the traffic through the Eisenhower Tunnel. Even the Steamboat bound from Denver use a chunk of I-70.
 
Marc_C":j93o69xy said:
Bushwacker1951":j93o69xy said:
Able to access is not the same as being on the interstate.
So where is the imaginary semantic line drawn? Aspen is, what, 30 miles off of I-70? But everyone going there, from either direction, uses I-70. Breck is even closer to I-70, but Breck traffic adds to the traffic through the Eisenhower Tunnel. Even the Steamboat bound from Denver use a chunk of I-70.

Hey, if you want to tell someone that the Boat is on I70, no skin off my nose. It's all good.
 
Bushwacker1951":2yi5pr2j said:
Hey, if you want to tell someone that the Boat is on I70, no skin off my nose. It's all good.
It certainly isn't, and I wouldn't tell anyone that. But a certain amount of I-70 traffic is directly related to the Boat, and that's the heart of what we're talking about here.
 
Admin":2j87khix said:
The only ferry that runs in winter is the one from South Hero to Plattsburgh, which takes you way out of the way if you're heading from NYC to Burlington. However, all of them add an inordinate amount of time to your drive. The one from Port Kent to Charlotte is around 20 minutes to cross, IIRC, and the one to Burlington takes an hour.

That's what I thought. It's not worth doing in the winter.
Admin":2j87khix said:
The route of choice from I-87 to Burlington involves getting off the Northway at x20 in Queensbury, taking 149 east to Ft. Ann, then US 4 through Whitehall to just cross the border into Vermont before exiting at Fairhaven and taking 22A to Vergennes. There head north on US 7.

When I lived in Burlington I reported to an office in Albany. I also had all of NE NYS as my territory and drove everywhere. While there's a slight savings in taking a back way from S Glens Falls to Ft. Ann, it's not worth the headache of a novice trying to follow those town-road directions over taking 149.
That's the route I normally take. It has some amazing views for sure. It's totally worth doing it to get the views of both the green and dak mountains. On the way, at least once in vermont, there are a couple of great towns too.
 
rfarren":aqfswg70 said:
Admin":aqfswg70 said:
The only ferry that runs in winter is the one from South Hero to Plattsburgh, which takes you way out of the way if you're heading from NYC to Burlington. However, all of them add an inordinate amount of time to your drive. The one from Port Kent to Charlotte is around 20 minutes to cross, IIRC, and the one to Burlington takes an hour.

That's what I thought. It's not worth doing in the winter.

Especially with a hangover. The Grand Isle ferry is the only one with an icebreaker. Imagine what those ice floes sound like hitting the metal hull! :roll:

When I lived in Burlington I used to have to take that boat around once a week for business appointments in Plattsburgh or areas north. I quickly learned to not drink the night before.
 
rfarren":3hc985yj said:
That's the route I normally take. It has some amazing views for sure. It's totally worth doing it to get the views of both the green and dak mountains. On the way, at least once in vermont, there are a couple of great towns too.

After Vermont changed their traffic fine laws so the towns collect 50% of the revenue, it's also a speed trap gauntlet since every small town in the state along any of the major tourist routes got a rent-a-sheriff to generate some income.
 
Admin":2kiua4gy said:
When I lived in Burlington I used to have to take that boat around once a week for business appointments in Plattsburgh or areas north. I quickly learned to not drink the night before.

Landlubber! No wonder you moved to Utah. :)
 
Geoff":3af8j20t said:
Landlubber! No wonder you moved to Utah. :)

Them's fightin' words! :twisted: I was referring to the sound of the metal hull crashing through ice floes, not seasickness! You never did join me on the Drive South for a sail.

150 Drive South - Sea Critters Cafe - Pass-A-Grille, FL.jpg


009 Drive South cockpit.jpg


:hijack:
 
Patrick":399g4w6z said:
So when are moving back to Florida Marc? :lol: :lol:

You know it ain't gonna happen! Sailing was my one respite from that God-forsaken mosquito-infested swamp.
 
Admin":u5u38gsc said:
Geoff":u5u38gsc said:
Landlubber! No wonder you moved to Utah. :)

You never did join me on the Drive South for a sail.

Nope. From the many times I've been in that neck of the woods, Sarasota has some serious light airs most of the time. Not exactly my pick for a sailing destination.

My dig was of course knowing that you once owned a Clorox bottle.
 
You never did join me on the Drive South for a sail.
Especially the one with the lightning strike. :lol:

But a certain amount of I-70 traffic is directly related to the Boat, and that's the heart of what we're talking about here.
Actually I would exclude the Boat and Aspen from much traffic blame. Most of the people going there are going for a week, and probably very few of them are driving in the Friday night/Sunday night cluster$#*&. Breck may not be directly on I-70, but we all know it's probably the biggest contributor to this problem. Winter Park is the gray area. It's undoubtedly a contributor, but it's not involved in the tunnel.
 
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