Eastern closing thread - 2009-10

despite the summer like weather and big hot rains, the loaf has more open terrain than all of vermont combined or pretty close. 97 trails once it warms enough again. snowing there tonight, grooming, snow moving tomorrow. should be good till the 25th. king of spring even when hit hard by crazy heat.

rog
 
icelanticskier":2kyrjln8 said:
despite the summer like weather and big hot rains, the loaf has more open terrain than all of vermont combined or pretty close. 97 trails once it warms enough again. snowing there tonight, grooming, snow moving tomorrow. should be good till the 25th. king of spring even when hit hard by crazy heat.

rog
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Again, (at least for me) Sugarloaf might as well be located in Asia.
Marc_C":2kyrjln8 said:
jamesdeluxe":2kyrjln8 said:
This is Crocker's east-coast variant of his Snowbird/Alta argument.
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+1
Mr. Statistics, gatekeeper of the accurate snow and weather data analysis, once again grabs a single datapoint outlier as the basis for an entire thesis. :troll: :snowball fight: :sabre fight: :dead horse: :rotfl: :stir: :brick:
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Let's not be too hard-headed here. There is certainly a place for statistics. As a baseball man myself I'm more prone to believe statistics than what some scouts eyes will tell me. That being said, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out that the EC has a shorter season than those mountains out west.

In cases less cut and dry stats that are used objectively are very powerful,... much more so than the power of observation.
 
rfarren":3sudlw4z said:
Let's not be too hard-headed here (...) it doesn't take a rocket scientist to point out that the EC has a shorter season than those mountains out west.
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That's not what I was referring to. I was talking about Tony's propensity for using aberrations (or "datapoint outliers" as Marc C. called them) and/or exaggerations as a basis for theses. The eight-foot Catskills dump was no more normal than the two weeks of July heat in early April. That's why I'm not going to say during a snow drought next winter, "don't worry, we'll soon be getting 90 inches in three days." Someone on another forum correctly observed, "short of a nuclear meltdown, Belleayre could easily make it to May with this amount of cover." I think we can agree that the past two weeks in the northeast qualified as a meteorological nuclear meltdown.

Likewise, Tony's opinion about the superiority of Snowbird vs. Alta has made the LCCers apoplectic because it is just that: an opinion, but one that he's promoting as a thesis based on alleged facts. During my dozen or so visits to SLC over the past 10 years, I've gone to BCC and Snowbasin three times as much as LCC, despite the latter's terrain/conditions superiority. I do that because even if Admin can sneak me out to a place that has been momentarily overlooked, I dislike crowds that much and prefer "underdog" places. This preference is grounded in purely anecdotal evidence, and I don't try to use statistics to prove it.
 
I guess some ski areas were hoping to make it to the weekend, Lucky Luke informed me on Thursday evening that Sutton was done for the season. I didn't really have the time or mind to update this thread. Lucky and I discussed about maybe skiing Maine on Sunday, however I just got back from Montreal a few hours ago. I have to go back to Montreal for Monday, so Maine isn't realistic...I need to get out and make some turns. So I'm checking what is still open and sharing it with you.

Quebec:

Le Massif - April 11
*Tremblant - April 11
Massif du Sud - April 18
Val d'Irène - April 18
Mont Miller - April 18
Mont Ste-Anne - April 25
*Mont St-Sauveur - May 2 (If possible)

NH:
Wildcat - April 19

VT:
Snow - April 11
Stratton - April 11
Stowe - April 18
Killington - May 1
Jay - May 3
Sugarbush - TBD

ME:
Saddleback - April 11
Sugarloaf - April 25
Sunday River - April 30

NY:
Belleayre - April 11
Whiteface - April 11


NC:
Appalachian - April 11
Cataloochee - April 11


I didn't have time to do much research, but if you have a tentative closing date, please bring it forward.
 
talking with my buddy dave, the vid guy for sunday river, he doesn't hold out much hope for them staying open past next weekend unless they just run jordan bowl which has good cover.

the loaf on the other hand, 4-5 inches of new on upper mtn last night and a couple down low and no chance for much thaw this week, bet they make it to the 25th, i hope to be there for it.

king of spring, not too far for many of us.

http://sugarloaf.com/TheMountain/DailyReport/index.html

rog
 
MarcC":vec44gn5 said:
once again grabs a single datapoint outlier
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The datapoint outlier is that the hot weather occurred so early. In "normal" weather the meltout of natural Eastern snow at resort elevations occurs nearly like clockwork by early May. Even after huge dumps in April like 3 years ago or a 400-500 inch season (with 150+ in March) in NVT in 2001.
 
Tony Crocker":6nu8mjvl said:
MarcC":6nu8mjvl said:
once again grabs a single datapoint outlier
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The datapoint outlier is that the hot weather occurred so early. In "normal" weather the meltout of natural Eastern snow at resort elevations occurs nearly like clockwork by early May. Even after huge dumps in April like 3 years ago or a 400-500 inch season (with 150+ in March) in NVT in 2001.
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But you didn't say it was an outlier - all you did was use it as an opportunity to trash-talk East cost skiing:
Tony Crocker":6nu8mjvl said:
That says it all about eastern snow preservation considering the massive dump there at the end of February. And this over what was presumably a very dense manmade base. Anywhere in the West you could take it to the bank that the snow would last at least 2 months after a storm like that.
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My point ](*,) was not "The eastern snow is gone in early April." My point was the "The eastern snow is gone one month after a massive dump built a huge snowpack." This is a recurring not unique event, which does not happen when you have some altitude to keep the snowpack frozen at night much of the time.

In deference to icelantic, Sugarloaf does lead the East in open terrain with 44% open yesterday. Sugarloaf's snowfall has been average this year at 178 inches, so it does seem to have a preservation edge over some places that get more snow.
 
Marc_C":337t1sqk said:
But you didn't say it was an outlier - all you did was use it as an opportunity to trash-talk East cost skiing
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I see. Only Marc_C is allowed to gloat and trash talk Eastern skiing.
 
A few changes...

Quebec:
Val d'Irène - April 18
Mont Miller - April 18
Mont Ste-Anne - April 25
Mont St-Sauveur - May 2 (If possible)

NH:
Wildcat - April 19

VT:
Killington - May 1
Jay - May 3
Sugarbush - TBD

ME:
Sunday River - April 19
Sugarloaf - April 25
 
Geoff":1mrrx4eu said:
Patrick":1mrrx4eu said:
VT:
Killington - May 1
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Where are you getting May 1 from? I've been hearing they are going to try for May 2nd if the snow holds up.
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I've spent little time looking and researching each claim this year, however that date is taken from Onthesnow.com site. You'll notice that on the first post from this thread, May 2nd was mentioned for K.
 
One update, Ste-Anne is NOT closing one weekend early (someone posted the wrong info - corrected it ). So after this weekend, half of the following ski areas will be closed.

Quebec:
Val d'Irène - April 18
Mont Miller - April 18
Mont Ste-Anne - April 25
Mont St-Sauveur - May 2 (If possible)

NH:
Wildcat - April 19

VT:
Killington - May 1
Jay - May 3
Sugarbush - TBD

ME:
Sunday River - April 19
Sugarloaf - April 25
 
Another update...Sugarbush's last day is this Sunday. ONLY 5 areas mentioned trying to make it open next weekend (the Loaf, MSA, MSS, Kmart and Jay).

edit: St-Sauveur is going to be closed tomorrow (rain in the forecast), need to confirm for Sunday. MSS is on a weekend late season schedule and still mentioning possibilities for the following two weekends.

edit: corrected MSA data.

Quebec:
Val d'Irène - April 18
Mont Miller - April 18
Mont Ste-Anne - April 25
Mont St-Sauveur - May 2 (If possible)

NH:
Wildcat - April 19

VT:
Sugarbush - April 18
Killington - May 2 (if possible)
Jay - May 3 (if possible)

ME:
Sunday River - April 19
Sugarloaf - April 25


Comparision with 2008-2009:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7912

2007-2008:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6664
 
Late season pow turns this weekend is some places.
Sugarloaf is extending into May. Wildcat is closing today with 33 trails. Sunday River has 11 for free, also last day.

Quebec:
Mont Ste-Anne - April 25 (Fri-Sat-Sun only)
Mont St-Sauveur - May 2 (If possible) - Fri-Sat-Sun only - if possible.

VT:
Killington - May 2 (if possible)
Jay - May 3 (if possible)

ME:
Sugarloaf - May 2
 
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