Heading up to Jay Peak on the 19th to the 25th

BigJay":k5bj41go said:
According to Jay's snow report, they're focusssing on Ullr's Dream for snowmaking... so your "big long one" should be open pretty soon...

After the Ullr is done, they move to the "long" northway... Then, you'll have all kinds of long groomers to enjoy!

Have fun up at Jay!
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So they will have alot of new trails open when I get there???
 
trust me, he's not a troll, he's for real, and he posts on a pa ski forum, and makes us all laugh :lol:

this tread is the epitome of "danger"
 
I am NOT a troll. I just want to know what it will be like, for my first time in Vermont.

I post ALOT on PASR, just like Doug. Hes the biggest post whore.

I came here to get some tips/hints/ideas of trails at Jay Peak, but when I found out they only have 10 or 11 trails open, I wanted to know things like when will they open more trails ect. Lay off my back a bit. Jesus.
 
Does a troll have to be someone who doesn't mean what they say?

I'm actually finding it entertaining. Also - it makes me realize that I won't die if it never gets cold.

I do have to admit that Patrick's comments about moving west got me thinking. My wife an I spent part of the day talking about where we might be happy living. Burlington...or where out west?

Mark

PS Mr. Danger - I promise you bottomless powder at JP next week - go for it.
 
Mr. Danger":3iss1nzg said:
I am NOT a troll. I just want to know what it will be like, for my first time in Vermont.

I post ALOT on PASR, just like Doug. Hes the biggest post whore.

I came here to get some tips/hints/ideas of trails at Jay Peak, but when I found out they only have 10 or 11 trails open, I wanted to know things like when will they open more trails ect. Lay off my back a bit. Jesus.
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It will be 100x better then anything in PA. Just go, and don't be a fair weather skier.
 
I saw Patrick's comment :lol: . But at the moment we are dealing with a similar situation in California. Neither Big Bear at 20% open nor Mammoth at 13% are yet worth it IMHO. This is likely to be the 4th season of the past 8 where I do not ski before January. I remain confident that I'll make it up on the other end of the season.

My opinion is that it is NOT worth the extra time and $ to travel a great distance (Mammoth, Jay) to ski the same White Ribbons of Death you can ski close to home (PA, Big Bear).

If you must travel within the East, go somewhere that has a reputation for serious snowmaking and grooming; Hunter, Killington, Okemo, Sunday River. It's obvious if you read riverc0il's report that Jay does not do well under these conditions. They get more natural snow than anyone else, but if they don't have it when you want to go, save some aggravation and go somewhere closer that has more runs open, better grooming, less wind blowing what they have into the not-yet-skiable woods.
 
i concur with tony's points. one white ribbon of death is the same as another white ribbon of death. i think the thing to look for when choosing ski areas during lean early seasons like this is length of runs rather than trail counts. steeper pitches tend to get scraped off quickly due to high volume on limited terrain issues, so long blue squares are really the ideal runs to look for, something that can take a beating due to excellent snow making and something that spreads people out. this is why i am a strong supporter of places like crotched early season. when crotched first (re)opened, i remember having a better experience at crotched than cannon on one december weekend a few years back. as much as i despise the big corp resorts like okemo and ASC, etc. they handle this kind of crappy early season the best. best to pick a place close to home and ride out the (lack of) storm.
 
Mr. Danger":3n7o86dk said:
So they will have alot of new trails open when I get there???
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Are you a total child? Exactly which part of "...no one can predict with any certainty exactly what will be open..." don't you understand?
 
Marc_C":311ug898 said:
Mr. Danger":311ug898 said:
So they will have alot of new trails open when I get there???
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Are you a total child? Exactly which part of "...no one can predict with any certainty exactly what will be open..." don't you understand?
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Whose! 8)
 
Tony and Steve,

Thanks for turning this thread into something significant. What you say makes total sense, but I somehow I just hadn't thought of it that way. When you look at Hunter and Killington they do have the most terrain open, in their respective neighborhoods. I don't have much experience with Okema and none with Sunday River. But at Kmart and Hunta I just get the feeling that if the temp dropped low enough (28 degrees or whatever) for just a few hours in a day, they be out there cranking as much as they could. I know my "home mountain" Gore doesn't do that. Thanks again.

Mark

(PS Steve - would you share what RiverC0il comes from?)
 
Harvey44":n4mxe72h said:
(PS Steve - would you share what RiverC0il comes from?)
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it is an interesting user name, eh? c0il comes from a weapon called the tesla coil in command and conquer red alert (a video game in the late 90s that i played a lot over the net) and i lived next to a river while in college. i combined the two when trying to think of a user name for the online gaming net i played on. it stuck.
 
Hey All,

I was directed to this link from this thread from the ski vermont discussion list. I'm the real Doug Slifkin. I know Danger though..he's on http://www.paskiandride.com

Danger is definitely not a troll..he's just never skied in Vermont before. For those on the Ski Vermont Discussion list who've wondered what's become of the only member to ever be permanently banned..I graduated from UVM in 2001..I lived in Bozeman Montana from 2002-2004 where I skied alot at Bridger Bowl, Big Sky, and some backcountry spots..Since 2004 I've been living in PA and working for the family business. Once again I'm racking up the vertical at Blue mountain and I'll be in Jackson Hole from January 21st to the 30th and going to South America for the first time this summer. I was fortunate enough to be at Stowe for the past 2 ski Vermont parties..nothing like skiing with Wesley Allen Wright the fearless leader. Wow First Tracks Online has grown alot since 1996..

Props to Marc Guido..I actually discovered http://www.paskiandride.com indirectly from this site..because there was a link in the forums section to a thread on Epicski about Blue mountain and from there there was a link to http://www.paskiandride.com...I have over 9,000 posts on there and keep track of my days, runs, and vert in their stats database. O.K. I just wanted to clear up that Danger is not a troll..Peace
 
you know, trail count is an interesting subject. in my adolescence, i used to put a lot of weight on trail count. sunday river was one of my favorite ski area back then. i am not sure why, perhaps because it is the most prominent statistic on most ski reports (xx/xx trails open or xx%), but it seems very easy to get caught up in trail count. granted, sometimes trail count is an important factor (i would much rather have a choice of skiing 5 boring cruisers than 1 boring cruiser) but often times trail count has nothing to do with how much you will enjoy a given area, especially considering how many ski areas number their trails (jay peak is a big offender, imo and regardless of real names, i always refer to stateside trails as upper/lower derick, upper/lower haynes, etc. i don't know how northway hasn't been section up yet... but that is a conversation we have had in the past regarding the pros and cons, suffice to say it can create deceptive trail counts, especially compared to areas that don't break up the map as much). any ways, i just wanted to say (admit??) i was once just as passionate about trail numbers and wanting XX amount of trails or XX% of trails open when i visited an area. i think it is a bigger issue to people who don't get to the mountains as much.
 
Dougslif":2zc1k6re said:
and keep track of my days, runs, and vert in their stats database.
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You would get along fine with some of us here, especially Tony. :wink:

Don't be a stranger. 8)
 
Simple answer for you. NO, IT IS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME OR MONEY. No snow now, no snow in the forecast and limited trails open. If you go, you will be disappointed and will most likely never return to Jay. Save your time and money and try Jay some other time when they actually have some snow, and not just a couple of trails...unless you enjoy avoiding rocks and dirt.
 
Trail count is not as important out here, as it's hard to define "trail" in alpine or gladed terrain. Nonetheless "percent of area open" is the most important stat for evaluating early season conditions. Here in SoCal I do have minimum standards of something like 60% open. That is due not so much to quantity of trails but that's the point where some of the better trails get open at Big Bear/Mt. High, and also the bodies get spread out more.

I think Colorado resorts report percent open on the basis of acreage, which is somewhat more useful and particularly helpful for places like Vail with lots of open terrain. Crested Butte may be an exception, because I'm not sure their trail/acreage count of ~70% on RSN/Snocountry etc. includes the North Face/Extreme Limits. If you go to CB's own website http://www.skicb.com/page.php?pname=win ... n/grooming you'll see that none of that terrain is open yet.
 
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