Jay: 02/16/08

riverc0il

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The short and skinny is Jay skied very well today. Bitter cold and uncomfortable winds had the slopes empty well into late morning when some brave vacationers finally decided to leave the comfort and warmth of their condos and townhouses and do what they supposedly drove up to Jay to do :lol: Said on gentleman I spoke with while riding the Jet: "the wife and kids are back in the condo because it is so cold." Fine by me. Less crowded than your average Jay weekend with a ski on Flyer and never more than one or two deep in the singles line at the Jet and Bonnie. Tram had what looked to be a three car wait. I debated doing the wait on my last run to get a run in off the ridge but didn't have the stomach for the wait.

The wind really loaded the powder up creating a tricky wind slab layer on the surface. Boot deep untracked powder was the norm for the morning and I hammered it without much care for competition as aside from the lack of vacation traffic even the regular Jay powder hounds seemed to be AWOL. Pretty laid back morning and I left lots of typical early hits for later. Lots of options.

I made a rare visit to Tramside today and poked around over there for three runs before the Freezer sent me shivering back to Stateside. Found some new shots (to me) where I suspected there might be some and wished the wind hadn't been as bad because I was really enjoying the turns on Tramside.

First full day on my new (to me) Atuas after a quarter day and a half day and first powder day as well. Really enjoying these new boards but something is a bit off. They still have demo bindings and the mount location of the demo binding is not to my liking. The tails are not keeping up and the tip is not hooking the turn quite the way I prefer. Sensational skis on natural snow and kicked butt in the untracked. Probably will save these for big days and lots of untracked as performance in tight trees on bumps and packed snow was way lower than my 8000s. But the Atuas are extremely nimble and tight turning in powder. Mantra-light I guess you could call them as they also have respectable packed powder groomer performance but slide a lot more than Mantra when things get hard pack and scraped. A total steal for just under two bills though I would have much preferred this year's Watea 94 and a lighter and shorter 178 without the twin. When I inevitability break another pair of 8000s, I may be looking at the slimmer Watea 84 as a possible every day ski but will take a demo before making that decision.
 
nice report steve,
jay seems to have done what they do best the past couple of days by picking up quite a bit of jaycloud snow.
enjoy!
rog
 
Good TR Steve. Sounds like you had a great day despite (and because of) the cold temps. I do get cold up there don't it? I've been looking around at new(er) skis this year and would like to demo some Watea 84's, some Mantra's and maybe a Nordica Hot Rod. Your praise of the Dynastar's have me looking but I would have to go back on an age-old promise I made to myself to NEVER buy another Dynastar product. It's a very old customer service issue I had. I've made good on it for 26 years but it might be time to let go. Some people say I can hold a grudge but they don't know me very well. :wink: I definitely would like to pick up a good mid-fat that can run NASTAR gates and perform in the trees when there's good powder.
 
i know this is not a equipment thread.
i just started using the 8000 this year and love them. if they blow out in 2yrs so be it . i'll buy another pair on ebay. this pair cost me 300 w/ bindings , maybe used twice.
 
I like my hot rods. But you need speed to rip em. They are bit slow in the bumps... the tail is too wide.
 
icelantic boards have changed my life. ski life better, home life worse-just kidding. amazing skis that look great and ski better. and they're made in colorado. if ya wanna try some let me know and i'll try to arrange something. ems in north conway has some for demo w/free ride+ binders. my nomads are my only skis for all resort and bc and ski better in every situation than any ski i've ever owned. just my opinion of course but the folks i've put on em don't look back.
rog
 
skibumm100":2ta93qxx said:
Good TR Steve. Sounds like you had a great day despite (and because of) the cold temps. I do get cold up there don't it? I've been looking around at new(er) skis this year and would like to demo some Watea 84's, some Mantra's and maybe a Nordica Hot Rod. Your praise of the Dynastar's have me looking but I would have to go back on an age-old promise I made to myself to NEVER buy another Dynastar product. It's a very old customer service issue I had. I've made good on it for 26 years but it might be time to let go. Some people say I can hold a grudge but they don't know me very well. :wink: I definitely would like to pick up a good mid-fat that can run NASTAR gates and perform in the trees when there's good powder.
FWIW, regarding Dynastar, I snapped a pair of 8000s. Called up Customer Service, got an address, sent the skis back with receipt, and had a replacement in less than ten days. Not sure what your issue was with them, but that was the only time in my life I ever called a ski manufacturer customer service team and I was satisfied.

If you are looking for something that is good at NASTAR running gates AND good in the trees and powder, my suggestion would be to pick up two different pairs of skis. Even skis like the Mantra that perform really well on the groomers are not designed to be race skis. Definitely wouldn't recommend the 8000 for NASTAR and given the performance of the Atua (Watea 94) on hard packed scraped, I doubt the Watea 84 would be much good in gates either.
 
jasoncapecod":njrt3s31 said:
i know this is not a equipment thread.
i just started using the 8000 this year and love them. if they blow out in 2yrs so be it . i'll buy another pair on ebay. this pair cost me 300 w/ bindings , maybe used twice.
That resignation to buying more if I break my current pair is tough but I am of much the same disposition being on my third pair (as previously mentioned, the third pair was sent free to replace a broken second pair). That is the great thing about these skis though, as you noted, that they are available quite cheap during almost any time of the year. New pairs can be had for as low as $300-350 if you are patient.
 
My hot rods are pretty good at most inbounds terrain, yet aren't really great for really really tight tree lines, either in pure powder or bumped up. They can be powered through moguls, and are great on both hard pack and powder. However, they aren't really suitable for bc skiing. I'm thinking about getting a second rig specifically for bc powder with some dukes. However, I'm not sure what skis are good for eastern bc.
 
seriously, try some icelantics, nomads for the most versatility and you may enjoy them for any type of bc, inbounds, bumps, crud, steep, tight, trees, huntah, jay, alta, mrg, bradford, mt watchington. you may leave the nordicas to collect dust.
rog
 
I just noticed that this report marks my 50th visit to Jay Peak which surpasses my total skied at Cannon. :shock: I skied at Cannon today for a 50th time to tie things up again, but that is another story :lol:
 
icelantics are alpine skis. langes will work well as that's all that i ski on. i use my lange comp 120's low volume for all of my resort and bc skiing and use the fritschi freeride+ binding which is bomber and works flawlessly. i don't know much about the dukes but, i've heard that the lever to switch modes under the boot can ice up which means i have no interest in that binding from that alone + you gotta take the ski off to switch.
i ski the nomads in a 168 cm which is the longer length this year but, they're adding a 181 for next year. the 168 nomad has more surface area than a mantra 177 and more side cut meaning more flotation and a tighter carving radius and it's all wood/no metal so you don't have to worry about bending them in the bumps and having them stay bent. i never thought i'd like a ski under 170 but right from the 1st run i was sold because the surface area and stability make the length seem perfect. many moons ago i raced snowboards competetively and these are the 1st skis that i can leave ruts in the snow as deep as on my snowboard even on firm snow. finally a ski that carves and rides like a board.
i know i get a bit crazy about these skis but, they really are fun.
rog
 
Thanks for the advice guys. I didn't mean to hijack and turn this into a gear thread, my apologies. Steve, congrats on hitting the big "five-O" at Jay.....and Cannon. I've got a couple of days off coming up so I'm taking the fambley skiing again. Head up north somewhere. If we stay in N. Conway I might try to demo some Nomads from EMS. Thanks for the tip icelanticskier! I was worried they wouldn't be good for Bradford but you put my fears to rest.

The issue I had with Dynastar was cracked top sheets on both, ahem.....Omesofts. They had five days on them. Not cosmetic stress cracks but all the way through cracks. I bought them from the rep for full retail price of $300! BTW, them's 1980 dollars. When I called the factory they said, "Yeah, they do that." That was it. I was not happy. At least when I delamed my Hart Hornets they repaired them.
 
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