If that happens to us, I'll send Tony an invoice.
LA Fires: Jan 2025
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tseeb
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Their Methodology includes "The Washington Post used the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Climate Divisional Database (nClimDiv), which provides monthly temperature data at the national, state and county level between 1895 and 2018 for the Lower 48 states."
I remember hearing that Carson City was most affected by warming temperatures, but maybe that's old news.
Article from March 2021 says "The Carson City news was so shocking that NBC picked it up and broadcast it nationally: an analysis by the Associated Press, using 30 years of federal records, named Carson City as the fastest warming city in the United States. Two years later, in 2016, Reno was named the fastest warming city in America. "
Article from July 2022 includes "Since 1970, summer temperatures in Reno, Nevada, have risen 10.9 degrees, making it the nation’s fastest-warming city, according to Climate Central, a nonprofit research group.
Ranked second is Las Vegas, Nevada, which has seen an increase of 5.8 degrees. Boise, Idaho, follows in third at 5.6 degrees."
I read comments like those tseeb saw, made about Phoenix a lot. Great Basin/desert environments seem extra sensitive to urban heat island effects in the summer. Reno, Boise, Vegas and Phoenix have all seen explosive population growth and building development since 1970. It should be possible to compare those to similar climate small towns that have not urbanized much.
As mentioned before our homeowners insurance is up 156% since 2019. I am not looking forward to the next bill in November.
It was interesting to read the above story, ensuing from Pasadena's school history.
Even though I grew up in nearby San Marino, I was in private schools starting in 5th grade and graduating in 1970.
I had not seen any of the Palisades Fire area until I went to Zuma Beach last Friday. Here is an excellent zoomable map documenting Palisades Fire damage. Friday was the first day of Dine L.A.'s two week restaurant promotions. I couldn't resist this lobster roll special overlooking Malibu Beach.
Driving east from there I soon reached the homes on the beach side of PCH which had burned down, leaving an occasional cement wall.
Even more than in Altadena, these homes surely caught fire from each other as there is rarely any space between them. Driving along PCH I saw nothing on the inland hillsides. Out of view far above are some houses, but they are spaced and from the map less than half of them burned.
Occasionally there were surviving beach houses, usually in a small cluster like starting at far left of this pic.
This was one of the few places debris had not been cleared 6 months later.
As in Altadena, here are some burned out cars.
Approaching Topanga Canyon Blvd. the beachfront is narrower so most of the houses were built on cement pilings.
Only the pilings remain.
As I turned inland there are charred tree skeletons on the right hillside.
Per the map there is a neighborhood on top of that hillside with 80+% destruction similar to the area I drove through in Altadena.
Comparable zoomable damage map for Eaton Fire.
Driving east from there I soon reached the homes on the beach side of PCH which had burned down, leaving an occasional cement wall.
Even more than in Altadena, these homes surely caught fire from each other as there is rarely any space between them. Driving along PCH I saw nothing on the inland hillsides. Out of view far above are some houses, but they are spaced and from the map less than half of them burned.
Occasionally there were surviving beach houses, usually in a small cluster like starting at far left of this pic.
This was one of the few places debris had not been cleared 6 months later.
As in Altadena, here are some burned out cars.
Approaching Topanga Canyon Blvd. the beachfront is narrower so most of the houses were built on cement pilings.
Only the pilings remain.
As I turned inland there are charred tree skeletons on the right hillside.
Per the map there is a neighborhood on top of that hillside with 80+% destruction similar to the area I drove through in Altadena.
Comparable zoomable damage map for Eaton Fire.
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Not LA-related but the fires 1,800 miles away in western Canada are befouling our pristine northeastern air:
This is the current reading in my village. Not as awful as in 2022 when we were hitting 300 but pretty far from OK.
This is the current reading in my village. Not as awful as in 2022 when we were hitting 300 but pretty far from OK.
I think that DJT should sue them and demand large punitive damages as part of its transition into our 51st state.
EMSC
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Especially clear it's revenge since it always hits the US mid-west and east while those parts of Canada are having good air quality.
I forget again, what was it that Canada supposedly did that was far worse than Mexico (since Mexico has a lower tariff rate)?
In the election thread, @Tony Crocker said "Trump's animus for Canada is mostly based upon the financial failure of Trump-branded properties in Toronto and Vancouver," which sounds like as reasonable a theory as any.
ChrisC
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My heat has been ‘on’ almost the entire summer in San Francisco.
55-58F and cold. It’s cold as hell here!
How is the South Bay?
tseeb
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My weather station in SE San Jose reported 104 just after 3 and is at 91 at 720. I’m staying in RV at a winery near Auburn where it’s 93 after high of 97. We paid $15 for power to run our AC which may be failing (or I was reading dial wrong after some wine).
We got house in San Jose down to 71 this AM after upper 90s yesterday using air for <10 min before rates go up at 4 then fans to pull in cool air after 8 pm.
Lunch at good Vietnamese place we’ve tried before.
We got house in San Jose down to 71 this AM after upper 90s yesterday using air for <10 min before rates go up at 4 then fans to pull in cool air after 8 pm.
Lunch at good Vietnamese place we’ve tried before.
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tseeb
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Received my annual homeowner's insurance bill that is due in Oct. My premium increase is just under 30% and went from a few hundred under $2K to a couple hundred over. Previous year's increases were 7, 12, 7.5 and 21%.
My FireLine Score and Special Hazard Interface Area (“SHIA”) determination provided by ISO Verisk is 2 with all points coming from having a moderate slope of 6-20%. No points for Fuels at Property, Fuels in the Surrounding Area or Access.
Score Range Classification
0 Negligible
1 Low
2-3 Moderate
4-12 High
13-30 Extreme
The rest of my story from Sierra Foothills last Fri and Sat nights (Auburn, N San Juan) then went to Boot Juice concert on Commons Beach in Tahoe City Sun 4-7. Was thinking about going to Reno on Mon, but predicted highs Mon/Tues of 100/101 (reported temps were 97/102) had us heading home after a couple of short walks along the Lake and Truckee River.
While I expected (and got very) warm weather in foothills, I was a little surprised how warm it was higher. Sun PM my friend who lives at 6K' a couple miles N of Truckee said his weather station got to 94. When I checked temps on my phone Mon at 6 AM, Tahoe City reported 60, the same as San Jose. Mon and Tues at 7 AM , San Jose and my home weather station said 57 while Tahoe City and Truckee reported 60. Tahoe/Truckee lows are often 20 degrees lower than San Jose, but not the last few days. We've had early morning fog which also keeps our highs in the 80s.
My FireLine Score and Special Hazard Interface Area (“SHIA”) determination provided by ISO Verisk is 2 with all points coming from having a moderate slope of 6-20%. No points for Fuels at Property, Fuels in the Surrounding Area or Access.
Score Range Classification
0 Negligible
1 Low
2-3 Moderate
4-12 High
13-30 Extreme
The rest of my story from Sierra Foothills last Fri and Sat nights (Auburn, N San Juan) then went to Boot Juice concert on Commons Beach in Tahoe City Sun 4-7. Was thinking about going to Reno on Mon, but predicted highs Mon/Tues of 100/101 (reported temps were 97/102) had us heading home after a couple of short walks along the Lake and Truckee River.
While I expected (and got very) warm weather in foothills, I was a little surprised how warm it was higher. Sun PM my friend who lives at 6K' a couple miles N of Truckee said his weather station got to 94. When I checked temps on my phone Mon at 6 AM, Tahoe City reported 60, the same as San Jose. Mon and Tues at 7 AM , San Jose and my home weather station said 57 while Tahoe City and Truckee reported 60. Tahoe/Truckee lows are often 20 degrees lower than San Jose, but not the last few days. We've had early morning fog which also keeps our highs in the 80s.
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With our afternoon breezes we do not need A/C if highs are <90 and lows <65. So it was only needed Wed, Thu, Fri last week. Average high temps in Jul/Aug/Sep are around 85. So far this summer has been unusually consistent around that average. I would normally expect about a week in total each of those months above 90.
ShiftyRider
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With the leader of the UK at his side he revealed that his hours and hours of stump speeches devoted to tilting at windmills over the decades comes from personal concerns about his real estate appraisals...
@Tony Crocker, hurry up and sell your house while it's still worth something!
www.nytimes.com
Opinion | Los Angeles Wildfires Left the City With a Toxic Mess
Urban wildfires are becoming public health emergencies.
Typical N.Y. Times apples-and-oranges narrative:
All of the fires that burned thousands of homes (Santa Rosa 2017, Paradise 2018, Lahaina 2023, Palisades and Altadena 2025) were driven by extreme wind events. That's why so many homes burned. The winds were so strong that the fires were pushed out of the urban/wildland interface into conventional flatland blocks of homes which in many cases were close enough to ignite each other. See my recent pics of the Malibu coast along PCH where the houses are often touching directly.
Cliff Mass has posted after every one of the above fires starting with Santa Rosa that the wind was the culprit and that the wind events are infrequent but dangerous features of the local climatologies and unrelated to climate change. Cliff is quite vociferous in recommending shutting down power lines when these winds are predicted, as they were in all four of the above cases.
There is no question that the smoke from 5,000 burning houses is more toxic than the smoke from a forest fire. We were lucky to be at Mammoth last Jan. 7-9. The L.A Times said that the toxic debris removal from Palisades and Altadena was completed this week, four months earlier than many expected.
The Gifford Fire is a summer forest fire like Caldor, Dixie, etc. Their level of destruction is due primarily to misguided forest management over the past century with a climate change boost from hotter summers and insect infestations.
All of the fires that burned thousands of homes (Santa Rosa 2017, Paradise 2018, Lahaina 2023, Palisades and Altadena 2025) were driven by extreme wind events. That's why so many homes burned. The winds were so strong that the fires were pushed out of the urban/wildland interface into conventional flatland blocks of homes which in many cases were close enough to ignite each other. See my recent pics of the Malibu coast along PCH where the houses are often touching directly.
Cliff Mass has posted after every one of the above fires starting with Santa Rosa that the wind was the culprit and that the wind events are infrequent but dangerous features of the local climatologies and unrelated to climate change. Cliff is quite vociferous in recommending shutting down power lines when these winds are predicted, as they were in all four of the above cases.
There is no question that the smoke from 5,000 burning houses is more toxic than the smoke from a forest fire. We were lucky to be at Mammoth last Jan. 7-9. The L.A Times said that the toxic debris removal from Palisades and Altadena was completed this week, four months earlier than many expected.
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His bio says that he's lived in LA for 34 years.
Do you think that LAers would accept a mandatory power shutdown?