Mammoth, Jan. 8-9, 2025

Tony Crocker

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This trip was the best we could do with weather. Tuesday, the day the SoCal fires started, was to no surprise a peak wind prediction day for Mammoth, so we drove then to ski the next two days.

The wind subsided only gradually, so the upper gondola was closed both days, and chairs 12-14 and 23 were closed Wednesday. The wind also disrupted a snow machine near the top of chair 1, blowing its output into this fence before it could vaporize.
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Both days we got on the hill around 9AM, skied a warmup run or two, then met Elissa whom we knew from the old Mammoth Forum. She liked morning runs off the back of 3 to Saddle Bowl, Gremlin’s and St. Anton, the latter smooth groom and former sections with some softer snow blown in.

We then skied Coyote to 5 and Gold Hill to 9. On Wednesday Elissa was meeting at McCoy for lunch 11:30 so we skied through Sliver/Sanctuary under chair 5 on the way. Elissa was working the afternoon with Mammoth Adaptive Sports.

After lunch Liz and I skied Rodger’s Ridge, which had a windswept approach behind McCoy but nice packed powder on the run.
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We took Gold Rush to ski 3 laps on chair 25, its two groomers plus a traverse to Grizzly, which retains winter snow on its east exposure midwinter. Liz didn’t like its entry and ended up on crunchy south facing Sunshine.

View riding Gold Rush to Top of the World with Upper Dry Creek illuminated below.
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Those look like deep bumps so we avoided that run. The other ungroomed runs on 5 were more fluidly skiable though snow varied from firm to soft with the upslope wind effect. Overview of chair 5:
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From 25 we moved to 9 where I observed a few skiers traversing out Ricochet. Getting to that traverse was ugly.
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I had to get past those rocks (not as bad out of view looker’s right) to where the traverse started below the fence.

Looking down Ricochet
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I could time most of my turns in smooth sections on the upper part. The runout had occasional crunch from morning sun. It’s rare that I’m skiing here in afternoon shade. Liz took a pass on that rocky entry and found some soft snow between Gold Rush and the chair 9 liftline.

Back up 9 we skied Solitude to 5 and our last ungroomed run on Face of 5.
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After two more cruisers on Terry’s and Mambo, we called it a day Wednesday with 23,000 vertical.

On Thursday Elissa had the whole day free, so when found excellent conditions on Gold Hill, we gave it an encore plus a split to Quicksilver and chair 25. After a groomer there I wanted to inspect chair 22. They skied off the back to the Mill while I braved Avalanche 1. I was correct that its sheltered north aspect would have softer snow, but it has more narrow spots with current coverage and I skied very deliberately. That’s a good definition of a limit in technical skiing I should not exceed at age 72. So I needed that break at the Mill too.

After the break we rode 2 and skied Andy’s to chair 1.
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I was ready to check out the now open chair 23, but Liz and Elissa said they would go off the back. Elissa got her skis tangled and fell loading 23. Fortunately she only had a whiplash sore neck but she was done for the ski day.

I skied a lap on Cornice, then joined Liz at chairs 13 and 14. Cornice had a huge wind blast in the face at entry, so by past experience I approached and skied down the upper quarter or so as fast as was safe.

We skied from 13 Secret Spot past 12 to Main Lodge, where Liz took a short break while I had my last shot at 23.

View Wipe Out side 23:
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Drop Out side
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Notice the numerous sastrugi waves in the snow. A very few skiers were navigating between them but I know that would be high effort of me at 10,000+ feet.

Here’s the wind plume on top of 23
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There was one continuous smooth line down the Hump and I was not the only skier who chose that route.
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Snow was stiff but not as firm as our first trip a month ago when it had not snowed for 2 weeks.

I finished my day with interesting lines down the chair 3 liftline and the scattered trees between Sliver and Triangle on chair 5.

My vertical Thursday was 27,000.
 
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Adam was at Mammoth this weekend and the upper gondola was open. He said Climax and Dave's were better than chair 23.
 
Thoughts on Mammoth this holiday weekend vs Snowbird? Snowbird looks to be cold which the family isn’t a huge fan of. Snow and crowds look not so good at Mammoth. If the family says Mammoth, I’m inclined to cancel entirely and watch the Eagles game Sunday.
 
Definitely Snowbird. Mammoth has had only 5 inches in January, and it was followed by the upslope winds, which effect is documented in my TR above. The is no new snow in sight for 10+ days. Mammoth preserves snow as well as anywhere and groomers will be just fine, but it you want to ski the top, there were only a few fall lines without the sastrugi as Adam and I mentioned.

LCC had 3 feet January 1-10 and another 2 feet since then. The caveat for a holiday weekend at Snowbird is whether you are staying up there. If you are commuting from SLC former admin says you have to be at the base of LCC by 7:30AM and leave by 3PM or traffic will be ugly. And you need parking reservations. I can attest from Iron Blosam Week that the ski experience during the crush of the last 5 years or so has had minimal impact if you are staying on-site.

I can also say that if you are a family flying to SLC, staying on-site in LCC for a holiday on this short notice that it will cost big $$$. When I was working I would drive to SLC for 4 days for an excellent value trip. But that also meant staying in SLC and buying ski shop lift tickets, a strategy no longer viable. If flying I'd think about someplace like Schweitzer or Bachelor, assuming Ikon. I'd strongly recommend Bachelor since wind predictions over the next week are light, meaning that Summit will be open.
 
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Sorry for the thread hijack. We would be staying at the Cliff, we're bailing on that, its just too cold for them. Because of the fires they're giving us a credit good for 12 months, we'll go next year.

Schweitzer sounds like a great idea. I went there before, it's a great choice. I haven't paid attention, good snow conditions given I see no snow in the forecast on Opensnow.
 
its just too cold for them
Daytime temps in single digits are unusual in Utah. I'm surprised because it is not forecast quite that cold in the Okanagan where we will be. The continental climates in Alberta, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado will get down to zero or below this coming weekend. I still think Mt. Bachelor is the winner: high 23F on the coldest days over the weekend, winds 10-20mph, low enough for Summit to be open, which historically is true less than 50% in January.
 
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I've skied Summit which I enjoyed but the backside runs aren't for my kids at this point. The groomer down the front was fun but a lot of it isn't ideal for them. While the amazing cheap houses you can rent in Sunstone are pretty appealing, the 20 min drive isn't the best. Its on the list, probably 50% chance still though.

Thoughts on Schweitzer's conditions? Its harder to get to but it might be nice staying in the village up there and from what I remember the terrain would be great for the kids.
 
I do not know the ages/abilities of your kids. I would have presumed somewhat advanced if you were considering Snowbird, which is a strong contender for worst beginner mountain on the planet and usually exhausts low intermediates in a couple of days.

I think Bachelor is a better beginner/low intermediate mountain than Schweitzer. The entire Sunrise sector of Bachelor is mostly green. Most of the lower mountain groomers are accessible to low intermediates. Schweitzer's forte is the sheltered and nicely spaced trees, fortunate in view of the chronic fog on all three of my visits, which also had abundant powder.
 
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Got it, kids are 8 and 10 years old, lower experts, we skied Climax on the last day over he holiday weekend! Was very proud of them. They liked the Gravy Chute alot, and we made an unfortunate wrong turn where we found out, not quite ready for Avy chutes, rocks on both sides spooked them but they could've done it.
 
Backside of Bachelor is not anywhere as steep as Climax. It's the ultimate cruise in spring corn, might be highly wind affected mid-winter. Front side of Summit should be in your kids' comfort zone. Pinnacles do not sustain the steep as long as Climax. Summit groomers are like Face of 3 with twice the vertical.
 
It’s the thick trees on the run out to the catch road and variable snow that concerns me on the back of bachelor. Anyway we took the easy route and going to mammoth. Flights were $700 each and the only direct flight home was 6am and that’s an hour drive from Sunstone.
 
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