Mammoth June 30 – July 1, 2023

Tony Crocker

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I returned to Mammoth after 5 weeks as Liz is getting around quite well, walking a mile per day for exercise since 4 days after the knee replacement. She still has a way to go in terms of range of motion and pain though.

As Tseeb had warned me, I arrived just as the first summer heat wave was getting started. June however was not great for Mammoth’s snowpack. The same low pressure that produced coastal California’s persistent overcast generated frequent afternoon thundershowers in the Sierra. The rain from those aggravated the suncupping on natural snowpack as much as the heat waves do.

One quirk this season is that while chair 5 is open, Easy Rider and Comeback trail from the base of 5 to the base of 2 are closed. This is due to a dirt road being plowed to bring materials to rebuild the top of chair 16.

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Above is the view of the dirt road while riding chair 2

It is relatively rare for chair 2 to last until July 4. It happened in 2011 and 2017 but it was via WROD’s that had to be rebuilt each night. Stump Alley is currently covered wall to wall and they have built up a 3+ foot base in the chair 2 loading area. I believe chair 2 can run at least one more week, maybe two, past July4.

I got on the hill 7:45 Friday, skied 3 runs chair 2, which had entirely softened by the third one. I skied around to Rusty’s which had excellent corn facing the morning sun. Riding chair 1 here’s the view of the Unbound Park near chair 6.

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I have not seen big park features survive this late in the season near Main Lodge. In some other big seasons they have built new features in June higher up where there is more snow.

Farther up chair 1 Gravy Chute is riddled with suncups.

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This is very strange because I’ve skied Gravy Chute in July in other seasons, even having to walk across dirt from the top of 1 to get to it.

Now I rode the gondola to the top. Cornice had perfect corn at 8:45 so I took an encore. The entrance to McCoy Station is impressive.

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I have never seen those stairs buried this late.

Looking the other way to chair 3:

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Coverage on the face is deep but there are suncups where not as much traffic. The cement hut that was completely buried a month ago is a couple of feet above the snow surface now.

I next skied Climax, which was good but slightly past its prime, then Coyote (very mushy already) to chair 5. The closure of the runout to 2 must be deterring skiers because the entire ungroomed face of 5 is severely suncupped aside from one narrow bump line down Sliver.

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The upside was that on Friday groomed Solitude didn’t much traffic so it was excellent corn and worth a second lap.

Then I skied that Sliver bump line.

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In 2017 with the exit trail open there were skier packed lines through Upper Dry Creek and face of 5 as well as Sliver. July 1, 2011 was a on a different level. There was minimal suncupping and you could ski fluidly nearly anywhere on 5.

I crossed back to McCoy and skied a still decent Cornice to chair 23. After a lap on Drop Out 3 I wanted to check out the skier packed line on Monument. Getting there is tricky after Skyline burns off.

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This entry into Wipe Out 2 will only last a couple more days. Then you’ll have to start from Wipe Out 1, which might last for perhaps 2 more weeks. In 2017 the Wipe Out side had less snow; you had to start from Drop Out and could not get any farther than Scotty’s and the entire Wipe Out side was gone shortly after July 4. Again, 2011 was better, with fewer suncups and several good lines as far as Paranoid 1.

By the time I got down to chair 1, the racers were done so I took a lap on Fascination before going back up 23. I skied Drop Out 1, which was excellent but my legs were burning. So I skied two more race course runs, Terry’s and Andy’s, before skiing back to the car at noon with 23,400 vertical for the day.

Mid afternoon I drove past Mammoth airport and out to Wild Willy’s natural hot spring. From parking there’s a wooden walkway past a meadow and lake.

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Here’s a shallow warm creek.
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This pool is hotter, maybe around 104F.

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Mammoth Mountain is in background upper left.
 
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On Saturday to no surprise holiday crowds arrived. The chair 2 parking lot had just filled as I arrived at 7:20. When I left at 11:30 cars were parked down to chair 4. OpenSnow mid mountain temperature estimates were 44-60 Friday, 50-64 Saturday and 52-67 Sunday. Mammoth’s open lifts 1,2,3,5,6,11,23 and the gondola were up to the job. We only had a couple of 5 minute lines on chairs 1 and 3. The main crowd impact was that groomers didn’t stay smooth as long as on Friday and developed clumps of heavy snow.

I was on the hill 7:35 and started with the same 4 runs as Friday. I rode the upper gondola to meet Ben and Adam at the top of Cornice. They were coming from 23 and there are already two somewhat narrow groomed paths in view here.

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In 2017 a massive snowdrift buried the chair 23 exit building on the Drop Out side. That was an easy resource to maintain a comfortable path from 23 to Cornice all the way to the Aug. 6 closing. This year more effort will be necessary to make 23 last into August.

Cornice at 8:30 had good snow but was already less smooth than any of the times I skied it Friday. So we next skied Climax about half an hour earlier than Friday and hit it just right. The continuation down to Coyote was also better being earlier. And no surprise Solitude was good corn but less smooth due to more people.

We took a lap on Face of 3.

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It looks like they are already building up the skier’s right entry at the expense of skier’s left, which I recall also from 2017.

We then skied back of 3 to 23 and Drop Out 3.

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Ben is the closest skier in the pic with Adam waiting just below.

On the earlier schedule I was confident we could hit Monument in its prime. Adam on the way over there:

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Followed by Ben:

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Monument is long enough that I need one of my age 70 suck wind stops, so I went first to set up midway for pictures. Adam:

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Ben:

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The line on Monument eventually hits suncups, so there’s a traverse out to Scotty’s. View back up to the Wipe Outs.

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At lower right is a boulder perhaps 3 feet in diameter that rolled down Scotty’s a couple of days ago.

We took 1 and 23 back up to ski Drop Out 1.

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View from same spot toward the Paranoids:

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The white skier packed lines on Scotty’s and Monument are clear. The rest of it is suncups.

Ben and Adam stayed on 23 for more laps. I had about one more in me so I spaced it out by skiing down to Fascination. My last top run was Wipe Out 1 to Andy’s. I then skied to the car at 11:30 with 20,100 vertical.
 
Good to hear Liz is on the mend. She expects to be able to ski come December?
And suncups. I’m assuming they are not nice to ski on?
 
Yes we expect Liz to be skiing in December.

Patrick's elbow did not require surgery. He has been home in Ottawa since June 11. I have no idea what he plans for July-September.
 
I assume that Patrick will be back out there as soon as his elbow allows?
Patrick's elbow did not require surgery. He has been home in Ottawa since June 11. I have no idea what he plans for July-September.
I have no clear plans for the next months under than a few concerts lined up.

Skiing? We’ll see? I would be surprised if I would return to California unless I can combine with a concert that I’d really like to see with no dates in the East. That being said, Neil Young is touring the West coast.

I managed to hit July in the last day of AKAMP at Avila last evening. I have no idea of August plans as I’ll see how physio and rehabilitation of the elbow goes. I don’t need a long of time to plan, l booked my Australia only 3 weeks prior to my departure last September.
 
During the big winters in the Northwest ~2000, there were never suncup forests due to its overcast nature.
Nor when Patrick and I skied Bachelor, Crystal and AT at Rainier Sunrise at this time in 2012.
Interesting - the below article does not mention thunderstorms/rain as an issue in suncup formation.
There is a comment about direct summer sun reaching the bottom of suncups and making them deeper, so more likely the lower the latitude. I've seen occasional pics of massive suncups on San Gorgonio. I've also seen pics of pointy "penitentes" ice formations at higher altitude/lower latitude in the Chilean Andes. At Mammoth they start forming around mid-May with consistent sun and no new snow. I would think rain would not necessarily form suncups but might gouge them deeper.
July 1, 2011 was a on a different level. There was minimal suncupping
I found in my notes the reason, from June 29, 2011 on the patrol page I download each season:
1-3" of very soggy snow on ch3 traverse.
 
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Ben sent some pics of me skiing Saturday.
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This was on the apron below Drop Out 3, illustrates why you need to stay in the skier packed snow.

Sunday was warmer and busier than Saturday. I had to park across the road from the chair 2 parking lot at 7:20.
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Chairs 1 and 3 had 5 minute lines most of the day. I'm guessing this year will set an attendance record for the July 4 weekend.

Again I was on the hill at 7:35 but after my first run on Stump Alley chair 2 was stopped for a few minutes. I arranged to meet with some of the former Mammoth Forum people Elyssa, Scott and Kurt. Elyssa had a guest Hannah, who is from Kansas but spent this season in Utah. :icon-mrgreen:

With the warm weather we went up 23 right away. Cornice was not as smooth as Friday but still worth an encore. View toward upper gondola from top of 23:
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The snow between the gondola station and Cornice gets hit hard in direct summer sun. There's more snow there now than in 2017, when it was down to a narrow strip on July 5. Soon after that you had to ski Climax if you rode the gondola.

I knew it was the right time for Climax next, but the rest of the group declined and rode chair 3 so I met them again at chair 5. View from top of gondola stairs:
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The snow at the sign is now only 4 feet deep. Notice in the distance one of the strips coming from chair 23 has been abandoned. The other one is necessary to keep chair 23 going for late July race courses on Gremlin's and World Cup once chair 1's snow melts out.

This couple chose a nice spot for their wedding.
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All that's missing is an eclipse.
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We skied 2 runs on Solitude, which surprisingly was not groomed. Even more surprisingly not groomed was Saddle Bowl, which is an intermediate magnet off the back of chair 3. We took a short break at McCoy Station, where I inquired of a gondola attendant. He said for most of the season there are two grooming shifts, late afternoon and overnight. They have stopped the overnight shift in late season. The other problem is that Saturday's overnight low was in the 50's F. There have been incidents where grooming snowcats have sunk and gotten stuck in late afternoon slush. So perhaps that risk was too high Saturday afternoon. Mammoth's usual practice is to groom more intensely with larger crowds.

How hot was it Sunday? High in town at Mammoth was 87, so it probably hit 70 on the mountain. Driving home it was 104 in Bishop and 111 in Inyokern.

From the gondola I skied Drop Out 3 while the others skied Cornice and we met and skied Fascination. They were wrapping up soon, but it as my last day and I wanted to ski a few places I had not the past two days. First up was Scotty's, which was probably the best run of the day. That tight entry into Wipe Out 2 was evidently more exposed, as I saw a few people take their skis off and downclimb into it. I didn't like that option and so entered Wipe Out 1 and then traversed skier's left. That cut down the traffic, leaving nice corn on Scotty's.
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I got a closer picture of the boulder that rolled down Scotty's, with a snowboarder near it for perspective.
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After cruising St. Anton, here's the view back up the still roped race course on Andy's with Wipe Out to the Paranoids in background.
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I moved on to chair 3, first skiing West Bowl moguls. Then I ran into Adam and we skied Face of 3. We rode 3 with Ben and I moved on to my final ride up chair 23.
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I skied Wipe Out 2.
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On Sunday there were more holiday outfits.
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I skied Mambo back to the car, finishing with 17,800 vertical.

One of the perks of late season Mammoth is combining summer and winter recreation in the same trip. This summer is shaping up to be a disappointment in that regard. The Tioga road into Yosemite has damage and there is as yet no scheduled opening date. Prior latest opening dates were in the June 29 - July 1 range in 1983, 1995, 2017 and 2019. I heard at Mammoth that the Red's Meadow/Devil's Postpile road is also damaged and might not open at all this summer.

Does the above mean that Mammoth Ski Area will stay open with more terrain longer? Not from what I see. Due to only 10 inches snow after April 4, the upper mountain has less snow in many places than in 2011 and 2017, mostly critically around the top of chair 23. Chair 1 may have more snow than past July 4 weekends, but will not make it to August. They are already moving snow around to maintain the entry to the face of 3. In 2017 face of 3 was open on July 30 but not on Aug. 3.

After the huge March there were rumors about Labor Day or later, which odds I now rate as zero. I'm skeptical that the Aug. 13 record from 1995 will be broken either. The race camps are scheduled to July 30 and if it's a hot month it is possible that will be the end.

I'd consider returning for a couple of days the week of July 10-14, but I had presumed Tioga would be open by then, which now seems unlikely.
 
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I managed to hit July in the last day of AKAMP at Avila last evening. I have no idea of August plans as I’ll see how physio and rehabilitation of the elbow goes. I don’t need a long of time to plan, l booked my Australia only 3 weeks prior to my departure last September.

Impressive that you can keep this streak up.

In the Pacific Northwest, this streak would be relatively easy to maintain. I am sure some backcountry types unknowingly do it. Although September/October would be a bit tough.

I did Mt. Hood, Mt. Rainier, and Mt. Saint Helens in the June and July timeframe. I could have skied more summer volcanoes, but I did not want more weight on climbs up Mt. Baker, Glacier, Adams, Shasta, Lassen, etc. Those were all overnighters. However, there are butt/snow sliding routes down about 2-3k of vertical on the descent - pack weight helps!
 
In the Pacific Northwest, this streak would be relatively easy to maintain. I am sure some backcountry types unknowingly do it.
Not unknowingly I suspect. No surprise https://turns-all-year.com is mostly PNW backcountry skiers. I had 12 consecutive months at Mammoth Nov. 2001 - Oct. 2011, with the last 3 being earned turns. That's probably doable this summer, though Oct. 2011 was on 17 inches of new snow, nearly all of which melted out during the ensuing dry month.

Comparisons of Mammoth coverage and conditions:
July 2-3, 2011
July 4, 2011
July 2-3, 2017
July 4-5, 2017

I have skied July also in 1983, 1986, 1993, 1995, 2005 and 2006. Only 1983 and 1995 were in the ballpark of the 3 big recent seasons referenced here in terms of coverage and potential length of season.
 
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July 4 was last day for chair 5. I saw report that Mill/chair 2 parking was full at 6:55 on the 4th.

Hours changed on July 5 to 7:30-12. I'd like to get there again, but I have plans for July until the last week.

My weather station in warm part of San Jose reached 106 on July 1 (official high in paper was 85 - we went to a party E of Sacramento and saw 108-110 getting there) and 102 on July 2. We got down to 52 the last two nights but had to sleep with bedroom windows closed until 4 AM last night to keep illegal fireworks noise from affecting our dog for another night.
 
July 4 was last day for chair 5. I saw report that Mill/chair 2 parking was full at 6:55 on the 4th.
Snow report says chair 2 is still open today, which is a first for past July 4. I doubt I will get back before it closes though.
I have little interest in skiing at those temps myself.
It's far more worthwhile than the early season WROD. But there are two key reasons why,
1) We are still skiing steep terrain, which is most forgiving under these conditions.
2) Mammoth groomers are salted and so have a window of at least an hour of good skiing even when it's as warm and busy as last weekend.
Neither of those attributes apply to Colorado lift service. I'd guess there's some good backcountry corn available hiking from the numerous 12,000 foot passes though.
 
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Alpine Meadows / Palisades looks like it was pretty awful on July 4th, nowhere near the caliber of the Mammoth offering.

It's far more worthwhile than the early season WROD. But there are two key reasons why,
1) We are still skiing steep terrain, which is most forgiving under these conditions.
2) Mammoth groomers are salted and so have a window of at least an hour of good skiing even when it's as warm and busy as last weekend.
Neither of those attributes apply to Colorado lift service. I'd guess there's some good backcountry corn available hiking from the numerous 12,000 foot passes though.

Unfortunately, the WROD was in full effect at Alpine. Too bad they needed to do Gold Coast Funitel work at Squaw. I am sure high elevations and North-facing Shirley Lake would have skied much better.

Glad I avoided this. Memorial Day skiing in Tahoe was much better. Also, Tioga Pass Road / Tuolumne Meadows to Mammoth is still closed - only one lane has been plowed so far. Maybe I will get a return to Mammoth with Yosemite NP by mid/late July. August skiing in CA would be quite novel.


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Yikes. That looks like a shit show. And at best only marginally better than the Beast of the East for last day (though a full month later than Big K went of course).
 
I am sure high elevations and North-facing Shirley Lake would have skied much better.
I'd guess Alpine Bowl was at least as good as Shirley Meadows would have been. Sensible management would have run the Alpine Bowl chair so people could stay up high and minimize trips to the bottom through that muddy mess. But we already know Palisades management doesn't execute late season well because in 2017 they made minimal effort to preserve Granite Chief and Siberia access.
 
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Yikes. That looks like a shit show. And at best only marginally better than the Beast of the East for last day (though a full month later than Big K went of course).
That is the first thing I thought when I saw this.
I'd guess Alpine Bowl was at least as good as Shirley Meadows would have been.
Maybe if they would have kept an upper lift, but I never saw Palisades even close to that state when I skied around July 1 in 2017 and 2019.
 
I never saw Palisades even close to that state when I skied around July 1 in 2017 and 2019.
Yes but you only had Shirley Lake. That was my point. Alpine Bowl has more vertical and some interesting steeps traversing out skier's right. It's just plain dumb not to run that lift and thus force each skier down to the uncovered lower mountain on every run. The contrast with Mammoth was glaring. Sure Mammoth has the 2,000 foot elevation advantage. But it was mobbed this weekend too, and yet liftlines maxed out around 5 minutes because they ran enough lifts (8 of them, all high speed) to handle the crowd.

I have no problem walking up or down some dirt starting or ending the day to get July turns, but don't make people do it on every run. I'd rather ski Alpine with Alpine Bowl than Palisades without Siberia or Granite Chief. Of course, I believe failure to run Siberia past mid-June in 2017 was also due to the same cheap and/or lackadaisical management.
 
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