Mountain Creek, NJ 3/7/07

jamesdeluxe

Administrator
Staff member
Decided today was the day to head up the road to the former Great Gorge. Ibwish they had kept that name instead of the really generic-sounding "Mountain Creek," but it's an Intrawest joint, what do you expect. Only 40 minutes from my house, it's certainly convenient.

1709480705741.png


You'll never confuse conditions in northern NJ with those in northern VT right now. Completely dependent on snowmaking, especially this winter, they've got coverage on all the trails, but the all-night rain from last Thursday, followed by really cold temps this week turned everything rock hard.

MC1.jpg


I started at Vernon Peak, which for a skier is not worth the time. Half of it is a terrain park, and you have to pay an extra fee to access it. You take one of those Cabriolet lifts (like at The Canyons) and there are boarders and snowbladers everywhere. The remaining trails are boring and featureless.

MC2.jpg


Granite Peak doesn't have any parks, but the trails aren't any more interesting. Both Vernon and Granite Peaks are kind of what I would expect skiing in West Virginia or North Carolina to be like: snowguns everywhere, generic trails, rock-hard base, jester hat crowd, etc.

MC3.jpg


By mid-afternoon, I was ready to cut my losses and pack it in, but at 3 pm, South and Bear Peaks opened so I went over. If I understand correctly, this is where the original Great Gorge was located, and at least here, the trails are kinda interesting in that they wind intriguingly through the woods, bushes, rocks, and flowing creek. Also, there are some well-placed flats that deter boarders. Two HSQs allow you to rack up vertical quickly.

Also, conditions on South and Bear Peak were actually decent, especially compared to the crap on the other two hills. Amazing that the sun was still shining at 5:30 pm. They turned on the lights a few minutes later.

As you can see in the pix, there was no one over here, so I had the place to myself. If I ever go back to MC, I'll just spend a few hours doing laps on South/Bear and forget the rest.

So that's my day of skiing the New Jersey Alps.
 
Looking pretty good! The cold winter stretch without excessive warm up must have been beneficial to areas down there once winter finally got going. Looking at the map, I am struck by the up hill capacity vs. not many trails. Must be a zoo on the weekends? How close to the population center is that ski area?
 
One of our Iron Blosam group core families lives about 20 minutes from Mountain Creek. The kids were in after school race programs and ski Snowbird quite well. The oldest daughter Amy was right there with Ben and Adam 5 years ago, and I would have predicted a more successful college ski team career. But she chose not to pursue ski racing in college.
 
I live 45min from MC... If you gave me a seasons pass for free , i would throw it away. I hate to be negative, but this place sucks. I would rather ski at Hidden Valley which is .5 miles away. Granted much smaller in size but the same vertical. Hidden also has one of the best local ski raceing programs.
I am struck by the up hill capacity vs. not many trails. Must be a zoo on the weekends
River you have no idea..They will pack that place till it explodes.. the worst crowd management on a ski hill. i have ever seen.
 
jasoncapecod":sri7s5y5 said:
If you gave me a seasons pass for free , i would throw it away.

Sorry to pull out the overused "it is what it is" line, but these kind of places fall into the "quick fix" category. You can't go there on a weekend (or even most weeknights, I bet) and expect a pleasant experience.

I'm sure MC gets a fair amount of NYCers, but its main market is NJ, and there is a *big* pent-up demand for something closeby. Hidden Valley benefits from that because MC absorbs most of the hordes. I'm sure that LA has a similar situation with Mountain High.

As mentioned, I had a decent time doing laps at South/Bear -- sure beat being stuck in a cubicle.
 
I'm just down on the place because my kid got hit there and no one seemed to give a damn :evil:

I am struck by the up hill capacity vs. not many trails. Must be a zoo on the weekends
As i write this I am telling my kids we are going to Hunter over the weekend :shock: :roll:
 
So is Mountain Creek that much more out of control than Hunter? Hunter personally scares the hell out of me on a weekend. I'd much rather do Windham (which is quite busy itself), Belleayre, or Plattekill if I was looking for a weekend Catskill fix.
 
cweinman":2y1jgztn said:
I'd much rather do Windham (which is quite busy itself), Belleayre, or Plattekill if I was looking for a weekend Catskill fix.

For us, driving to Mountain Creek instead of the Catskills is like you going to Greek Peak instead of Gore.

Even on its busiest weekend, Belleayre and especially Plattekill are like funeral homes compared to MC, so those are the obvious choices to avoid crowds.

Interestingly enough, to compare feeder hills, Mountain Creek and Greek Peak are similar in vertical, layout, and the amount of territory they cover. MC has faster lifts, but Greek has better terrain and snow, with trees that you can actually ski.
 
I guess I always process Mountain Creek as being about the same travel distance as the Catskills since I grew up in the NY northern suburbs. MC takes a bit over an hour to get to from northern Westchester, and Windham or Hunter would probably run around 90 minutes.

MC does have a nice water park in the summer though, anyone remember when Action Park was there before it went bankrupt?
 
anyone remember when Action Park
Ido :D My friends and i used have some great times there..25years ago :shock:
I think they still run some sort of water park...
As far as Hunter's weekend crowds go.. I have found over the years Hunter has morphed into almost a family mountain. They still have their crazies but, it seems like a more mellow place. at least to me.
 
Mountain High West in a low natural snow year like now is definitely the L.A. analogy to Mountain Creek. Huge snowboarder (about 75%) density with park features on about half the runs with snowmaking. With decent natural snow it's much better. In addition to having the wide open cruising on East, most of the trees between the runs on West become skiable.
 
In my opinion the most annoying thing about mt. high isnt the crowds, but the skills of the general snow riding public there. On a weekend, riding or skiing the lower part of west is basically like trying to navigate a human mine field (meaning no one seems to be moving except for you). And in the upper terrain parks the novice snowboarders basically just heel slide down and watch the "park guys" hit the jumps/jibs/etc, eliminating any grooming which had been there, creating a giant slap of ice.
 
jasoncapecod":2f2kiqr7 said:
As far as Hunter's weekend crowds go.. I have found over the years Hunter has morphed into almost a family mountain. They still have their crazies but, it seems like a more mellow place. at least to me.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Let them go to Belleayre or Windham or wherever instead.

I've given up trying to convince people that Hunter is no more crowded than most other eastern ski areas on a weekend. Most who feel that way haven't been there for years or just repeat what they have heard others say.
 
Some ski areas do evolve. There are still people who think Mammoth has the world's worst liftlines based upon weekends in the 1970's. From reading ChrisC's recent analysis of the major Tahoe areas it's clear to me that Mammoth's lines on average are shorter than any of those.

I often voiced the opinion in the past that Alta had the worst weekend/holiday liftlines that I had experienced. But I recognize that the new Collins chair has largely cleaned up this situation, and I no longer resist admin's preference to ski Alta on the Saturday (tomorrow!) that I move into the Iron Blosam.

My impression is that Hunter has very competent management, probably a good analogy to Snow Summit here. Summit realizes that excessive skier density does degrade the experience and takes some steps to mitigate it. It would not surprise me if Hunter has done the same.

When East and the peripheral and tree runs at West are open, it's easy to avoid the bozos that Judz mentions at Mt. High. But Mt. High does not have enough snowmaking water capacity to cover and maintain all of their runs in seasons like this one.
 
I have been going to Vernon/Great Gorge (Mt. Creek) for 25+ years. It's close by and usually inexpensive. Season passes can be had for a low as $249 for an adult. You have to have a death wish to touch the place on a weekend or at twilight. When your young and stupid, hanging around with friends, trying to pick up women, you might enjoy the social aspect rather than racking up the vertical. I go there during the week when they open and often have the place to myself and the wife. Intrawest spent tons of money on the place because of it's location relative to NYC. They have outstanding grooming, snowmaking and for the most part great lifts. If you can ever get there on a week day, first thing in the morning you will be pleasantly suprised. Remeber it's Jersey and we have to make due with what we have. Don't forget it's also the home of Olympic Champ Danny Kass.
 
Back
Top